[Gocamino] [!! SPAM] Re: [saintjames] Re: Wise pilgrim

Tue Jul 23 10:55:14 PDT 2013

How about walking through a war zone? The Calif of Cordoba al-Mansur ("the Victorious") razed Santiago de Compostela to the ground in 997. Town demolished, Cathedral destroyed, and the bells carted off to Cordoba on the backs of prisoners of war. Probably a few Pilgs got swept up in the rush .. not the Camino they were hoping for. Leon and other northern cities along the Camino suffered similar aggression, but then there were the unscrupulous locals. From the Codex Calixtinus: .. 'In a place called Lorca, towards the east, runs a river called Rio Salado. Beware from drinking its waters or watering your horse in its stream, for this river is deadly. While we were proceeding towards Santiago, we found two Navarrese seated on the banks and sharpening their knives: they make a habit of skinning the mounts of the pilgrims that drink from that water and die'.. We still cross that stone bridge on the Rio Salado, but no bandidos are in evidence. The Knights Templar had protected Pilgrims on route to Jerusalem from the banditry in the Holy Land. After the fall of Jerusalem, they took their show on the road and helped establish a safer passage to Compostela. The first international bankers, there was less need to cart all your heavy coinage and be at the mercy of local thuggery. But, ahh, the good old days, when we had real Pilgrims, wink wink. I'll take the good old present thankyouverymuch. No problem with the techno toys. Bob is spot on that an iPad Mini weighs much less than all that paper you would otherwise be dragging down the Road. My iPad Mini has off-line maps and GPS tracks of all Caminos Españoles, over a hundred travel guides, and means to communicate both locally and internationally. I have previously traveled with an unlocked iPhone, and it did have a lot of music in it, but I never listened to any of it. Part of the Camino is to be here now, and I certainly was. But to each his own. Some will advise you to stuff that65 liter backpack to the brim, I personally am in 14 liters in 3 seasons. And yes there is 
a real camera, an iPhone and an iPad Mini in my Camino-ing future. Oh, but I'm still under 10 pounds. And quite possibly a real Pilgrim. We shall see.

Buen Camino, 

Grant

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Resources for the Pilgrimage Road to Santiago 
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> From: mvwallis at xplornet.com
> To: sillydoll at gmail.com; saintjames at yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2013 09:20:57 -0600
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> Other than providing amusing conversation and interesting insights into our 
> modern world and the progress of history, I am not sure that trying to 
> replicate anybody's experience is the point of the Camino. I know everyone 
> knows that, but I thought the point was worth making.
> 
> Mary
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> From: Sil
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> Subject: [!! SPAM] Re: [Gocamino] [saintjames] Re: Wise pilgrim
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> To add to Bob's list, we now have shirts that wick-away the sweat. Gortex
> shoes.  Telescopic walking poles. Sunglasses.  Motor cars, trains, buses.
> Telephones, email, Internet.  Elevators and escalators.
> And, we'd have to do without café-con-leche (coffee was only introduced in
> Europe in the 17thc) no tomatoes for those salsas, no patata tortiallas
> (potatoes were also only introduced in the 18th c) and many other delicious
> things we take for granted.  No - its not possible to replicate the
> medieval experience and every generation adds new technology to the walking
> pilgrim.
> 
> On 21 July 2013 15:51, Robert Spenger <rspenger at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
>> Devices - like trans-atlantic jet planes? Albergues, not only with running
>> water, but often heated? Like lightweight packs and well made walking
>> shoes? Credit cards and paper money instead of heavy coins? The list goes
>> on and on. It is not the same world; it is not possible to have the same
>> experience as a medieval pilgrim. Nor is it likely that anyone on this
>> forum has experienced the kind of life that the medieval folks lived just
>> staying at home.
>>
>> I have done several caminos without mobile electronic devices except for
>> cameras. Now that I have an iPad mini (obviously not a necessity - just a
>> fun toy) I would like to find out just how much I can do with it. It is a
>> challenge, just like walking the camino in my 80s. Come to think of it, in
>> the old days I would have been lucky to have made it to half that age. A
>> couple of other devices come to mind. Corrective lenses have been around
>> for a couple of centuries at least, but certainly not available for the
>> 12th century pilgrim. Many modern folks would find it very difficult to 
>> get
>> by without their glasses. I manage to get lost even with them. Also, in my
>> own case, porcine tissue aortic valves were just a dream much less than a
>> century ago. Now there is an indispensable device for me at least. it is
>> not  electronic, but replacement heart valves were developed just about 
>> the
>> same time that the transistor was.
>>
>> Bob S.
>>
>>
>> On Jul 20, 2013, at 9:27 PM, cwlowery at pga.com wrote:
>>
>> Imagine when people walked this way without these devices you speak of.
>> Can you? If so, do you feel that they have a different experience to 
>> yours?
>> Imagine thousands of years ago. Tap away
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Robert Spenger" <rspenger at earthlink.net>
>> Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 7:29pm
>> To: Santiagobis at yahoogroups.com, "Saint James †Yahoo" <
>> saintjames at yahoogroups.com>, gocamino at oakapple.net
>> Subject: [Gocamino] Wise pilgrim
>>
>> Well, I have overcome one major road block (camino block?). I kept getting
>> the elevation plot for the first stage when I tapped on various arrows. I
>> finally found out that scrolling down that page reveals the promised
>> information. I have not found any directions in the application that
>> indicate this procedure. Not very intuitive I might say. Or am I just too
>> dense?
>>
>> Bob S.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad mini
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