[Gocamino] [saintjames] Re: Wise pilgrim

[cwlowery at pga.com]

Thank you for the responses gentlemen. I do feel blessed to have walked with nothing save a very small amount of food and water. And to walk in Silence.
I feel blessed to not even be able to remotely understand how someone could make pilgrimage and try to carry so much. It seems so contradictory to me.
 
Jesus said judge not, lest. Yes, this I understand. And I am happy for anyone who finds their way, using whatever means they choose.
 
But for me, when asked by his disciples where will we sleep, He said, Consider the birds. Find Peace here.
 
When asked by his disciples, "What will we eat?" Buddha said the Lord will provide.
 
I believe these are important lessons they were teaching.  A pilgrimage can be a singular chance in one's life to leave the inventions of entrepeneurs and slick salesmen behind. Yes it is possible.
 
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To add to Bob's list, we now have shirts that wick-away the sweat. Gortex shoes.  Telescopic walking poles. Sunglasses.  Motor cars, trains, buses.  Telephones, email, Internet.  Elevators and escalators.
And, we'd have to do without café-con-leche (coffee was only introduced in Europe in the 17thc) no tomatoes for those salsas, no patata tortiallas (potatoes were also only introduced in the 18th c) and many other delicious things we take for granted.  No - its not possible to replicate the medieval experience and every generation adds new technology to the walking pilgrim.


On 21 July 2013 15:51, Robert Spenger <[mailto:rspenger at earthlink.net] rspenger at earthlink.net> wrote:
Devices - like trans-atlantic jet planes? Albergues, not only with running water, but often heated? Like lightweight packs and well made walking shoes? Credit cards and paper money instead of heavy coins? The list goes on and on. It is not the same world; it is not possible to have the same experience as a medieval pilgrim. Nor is it likely that anyone on this forum has experienced the kind of life that the medieval folks lived just staying at home.

 I have done several caminos without mobile electronic devices except for cameras. Now that I have an iPad mini (obviously not a necessity - just a fun toy) I would like to find out just how much I can do with it. It is a challenge, just like walking the camino in my 80s. Come to think of it, in the old days I would have been lucky to have made it to half that age. A couple of other devices come to mind. Corrective lenses have been around for a couple of centuries at least, but certainly not available for the 12th century pilgrim. Many modern folks would find it very difficult to get by without their glasses. I manage to get lost even with them. Also, in my own case, porcine tissue aortic valves were just a dream much less than a century ago. Now there is an indispensable device for me at least. it is not  electronic, but replacement heart valves were developed just about the same time that the transistor was.

 Bob S.



 On Jul 20, 2013, at 9:27 PM, [mailto:cwlowery at pga.com] cwlowery at pga.com wrote:

 Imagine when people walked this way without these devices you speak of. Can you? If so, do you feel that they have a different experience to yours? Imagine thousands of years ago. Tap away

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 Well, I have overcome one major road block (camino block?). I kept getting the elevation plot for the first stage when I tapped on various arrows. I finally found out that scrolling down that page reveals the promised information. I have not found any directions in the application that indicate this procedure. Not very intuitive I might say. Or am I just too dense?

 Bob S.


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