[Gocamino] [saintjames] Re: Wise pilgrim

Sun Jul 21 15:15:35 PDT 2013

Not that I plan to do as you did, but something in your post moves me to ask
for more comment, details, etc. about your experience. I spent a summer in
Santiago de Compostela, studying Spanish teaching methods, and spoke with
many pilgrims from all over the world as I sat in the plazas and cafés. I'd
like to pass on to my students some of your wisdom.

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Subject: Re: [Gocamino] [saintjames] Re: Wise pilgrim

Thank you for the responses gentlemen. I do feel blessed to have walked with
nothing save a very small amount of food and water. And to walk in Silence.
I feel blessed to not even be able to remotely understand how someone could
make pilgrimage and try to carry so much. It seems so contradictory to me.

Jesus said judge not, lest. Yes, this I understand. And I am happy for
anyone who finds their way, using whatever means they choose.

But for me, when asked by his disciples where will we sleep, He said,
Consider the birds. Find Peace here.

When asked by his disciples, "What will we eat?" Buddha said the Lord will
provide.

I believe these are important lessons they were teaching.  A pilgrimage can
be a singular chance in one's life to leave the inventions of entrepeneurs
and slick salesmen behind. Yes it is possible.

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Subject: Re: [saintjames] Re: [Gocamino] Wise pilgrim

To add to Bob's list, we now have shirts that wick-away the sweat. Gortex
shoes.  Telescopic walking poles. Sunglasses.  Motor cars, trains, buses.
Telephones, email, Internet.  Elevators and escalators.
And, we'd have to do without café-con-leche (coffee was only introduced in
Europe in the 17thc) no tomatoes for those salsas, no patata tortiallas
(potatoes were also only introduced in the 18th c) and many other delicious
things we take for granted.  No - its not possible to replicate the medieval
experience and every generation adds new technology to the walking pilgrim.

On 21 July 2013 15:51, Robert Spenger <[mailto:rspenger at earthlink.net]
rspenger at earthlink.net> wrote:
Devices - like trans-atlantic jet planes? Albergues, not only with running
water, but often heated? Like lightweight packs and well made walking shoes?
Credit cards and paper money instead of heavy coins? The list goes on and
on. It is not the same world; it is not possible to have the same experience
as a medieval pilgrim. Nor is it likely that anyone on this forum has
experienced the kind of life that the medieval folks lived just staying at
home.

 I have done several caminos without mobile electronic devices except for
cameras. Now that I have an iPad mini (obviously not a necessity - just a
fun toy) I would like to find out just how much I can do with it. It is a
challenge, just like walking the camino in my 80s. Come to think of it, in
the old days I would have been lucky to have made it to half that age. A
couple of other devices come to mind. Corrective lenses have been around for
a couple of centuries at least, but certainly not available for the 12th
century pilgrim. Many modern folks would find it very difficult to get by
without their glasses. I manage to get lost even with them. Also, in my own
case, porcine tissue aortic valves were just a dream much less than a
century ago. Now there is an indispensable device for me at least. it is not
electronic, but replacement heart valves were developed just about the same
time that the transistor was.

 Bob S.

 On Jul 20, 2013, at 9:27 PM, [mailto:cwlowery at pga.com] cwlowery at pga.com
wrote:

 Imagine when people walked this way without these devices you speak of. Can
you? If so, do you feel that they have a different experience to yours?
Imagine thousands of years ago. Tap away

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 Subject: [Gocamino] Wise pilgrim

 Well, I have overcome one major road block (camino block?). I kept getting
the elevation plot for the first stage when I tapped on various arrows. I
finally found out that scrolling down that page reveals the promised
information. I have not found any directions in the application that
indicate this procedure. Not very intuitive I might say. Or am I just too
dense?

 Bob S.

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