[Gocamino] [Santiagobis] Re: bed bugs at Rubiaes
Tim
tim at errecaldia.com
Mon Oct 11 09:05:44 PDT 2010
Hi one and all,
Having set this hare running I thought I better had add a comment or
two. The product I originally posted about 'Clako' uses a very low
level of Pyrethrum as a repellant not an insecticide, it is the same
base as permethrin but the difference is in the percentage of the base
chemical present (.05%/litre). The makers say that there is no danger
to cats and unless you spray the whole contents of a 125ml bottle
(surely an odd thing to do!) directly into a fish tank there is no
danger to fish. With regard to the comment about asthma sufferers, I am
one and would be much more worried about the affect of cats on my asthma
than this product.
From my limited experience with my B & B all I can say is that it
appears to work, has no side effects that I can see and has no
unpleasant odour.
That's all I can tell you. A question; did I catch somewhere on the
news that Nike had to close their New York store as a result of a bed
bug infection?
Tim
patrush1 at verizon.net wrote:
> Re permethrin: it is a synthetic pyrethroid, but unlike DEET it kills insects;
> it doesn't just repel them. In looking at various state health department
> guidelines for its use, I learned that the reason not to spray on skin is that
> human skin breaks down the permethrin quickly, making it ineffective. The
> chemical was apparently developed in the 70s especially to be used on
> cloth--tents, nets, sleeping bags, clothing, etc. I guess to use or not to use
> is a personal decision, but here in upstate NY, faced with West Nile virus in
> mosquitos and the nasty bacteria in deer ticks (Lyme disease, babiosis, etc),
> I'm glad I have a choice. Fortunately, the little chinches do not carry disease
> but let me tell you, they are all over the place--not in my house yet, but given
> the amount of traveling I do, it's only a matter of time.
>
>
> Have any peregrinos had experience with treated sleeping bags or sleeping bag
> liners?
>
>
> Patricia Rush
>
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> ________________________________
> From: Grant Spangler <gaspangler at hotmail.com>
> To: †Yahoo Santiagobis <santiagobis at yahoogroups.com>; †GoCamino OakApple
> <gocamino at oakapple.net>; †Yahoo Saint James <saintjames at yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sun, October 10, 2010 11:15:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [Gocamino] [Santiagobis] Re: bed bugs at Rubiaes
>
>
> Permethrin is also available here in the US in 99 cent stores.
>
> http://www.elcaminosantiago.com/Images/Permethrin.jpg
>
> Note the four bottles in the photo, all contain the same stuff, but the Sawyer
> bottle on the left is noticeably more expensive (like 10x). The three bottles on
> the right have different labels but identical contents.
>
>
> Treat your own stuff: Take a gallon zip-lock bag, empty the contents a bottle,
> then one by one soak your clothing for about 5 minutes each. Wring ‘em out and
> put on a plastic coat hanger to dry. You should be able to treat a silk sleep
> sack the same way in hopes of avoiding their nocturnal visits. I have read that
> Permethrin is a poor repellant for chinches, but it’s probably going to do you
> no harm.
>
>
> If you want to try DEET, test it on your skin at home before making you way to
> the Road. Some people are allergic, and it tends to discolor clothing and
> sleeping bags. Keep out of eyes.
>
> Hospitaleros/as: Diatomaceous Earth (think 'White Cliffs of Dover') is a fine
> non-toxic way to treat any premises, the chalk punctures the critter’s
> exoskeletons and they simply dehydrate. Use a squeeze bottle to blow it into the
> cracks and crevices they live in during the day.
>
>
>
>
> Buen Camino,
>
>
> Grant
>
> http://www.ElCaminoSantiago.com
> Resources for the Pilgrimage Road to Santiago
>
>
>
>
>
>> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 11:53:44 -0700
>> From: patrush1 at verizon.net
>> To: rebrites at yahoo.com; jethess777 at aol.com; tim at errecaldia.com;
>> Santiagobis at yahoogroups.com; gocamino at oakapple.net; saintjames at yahoogroups.com;
>> punaisesdelits at gmail.com
>> Subject: Re: [Gocamino] [Santiagobis] Re: bed bugs at Rubiaes
>>
>> Rebekah is correct; permethrin is very toxic to cats, and to fish. Cats have
>> died from getting flea treatments with permethrin as an ingredient. I suspect
>> that using a treated sleeping bag liner, however, would not expose cats in an
>> albergue to any danger, unless the cat curled up next to you at night. By the
>> way, the spray bottles of permethrin caution users to use it only outdoors, and
>>
>> to avoid inhaling the spray. It is a neurotoxin, although apparently not
>> well-absorbed by human skin.
>>
>>
>> Patricia Rush
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Rebekah Scott <rebrites at yahoo.com>
>> To: Joanie Hess <jethess777 at aol.com>; tim at errecaldia.com;
>> Santiagobis at yahoogroups.com; gocamino at oakapple.net; saintjames at yahoogroups.com;
>>
>> punaisesdelits at gmail.com; patrush1 at verizon.net
>> Sent: Sun, October 10, 2010 2:28:51 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Gocamino] [Santiagobis] Re: bed bugs at Rubiaes
>>
>> DO NOT use this permethrin stuff anywhere near a cat. It is poisonous to them.
>>
>
>
>> We keep a fine cat, and we bar any pilgrim who insists on spraying this stuff
>> around the house. We love pilgrims, but if you poison our Murphy Cat we will
>> not
>>
>> be so fond of you. Be sure to ask before you start squirting chemicals around
>> albergues. You are not the only creature who stays there.
>>
>>
>> Rebekah Scott
>>
>> www.moratinoslife.blogspot.com
>>
>>
>>
>> "One ought, every day at least, to hear a little song, read a good poem, see a
>>
>
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>> fine picture, and if it were possible, to speak a few reasonable words."
>>
>>
>> --Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
>>
>> --- On Sun, 10/10/10, patrush1 at verizon.net <patrush1 at verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>> From: patrush1 at verizon.net <patrush1 at verizon.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Gocamino] [Santiagobis] Re: bed bugs at Rubiaes
>> To: "Joanie Hess" <jethess777 at aol.com>, tim at errecaldia.com,
>> Santiagobis at yahoogroups.com, gocamino at oakapple.net, saintjames at yahoogroups.com,
>>
>> punaisesdelits at gmail.com
>> Date: Sunday, October 10, 2010, 6:45 PM
>>
>> There is a synthetic form of pyrethrim called permethrin; it's available in the
>>
>> US in spray form, manufactured by Sawyer, and sold at sporting goods stores. In
>>
>>
>> the northeast hikers use it to spray boots, socks and pantlegs as protection
>> against ticks. There is also a permethrin-treated sleeping bag liner available
>>
>
>
>> at the US store REI, and also a line of permethrin-treated clothing for hikers
>>
>
>
>> made by a company called Buzz Off. Permethrin should be not be applied directly
>>
>>
>> to skin, but can be used on clothing which touches skin. Treated fabrics can go
>>
>>
>> through multiple washings. None of this information will help any of you
>> currently dealing with bug issues on the Camino, but might be of interest for
>> future pilgrims.
>>
>> Patricia Rush, upstate NY
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Joanie Hess <jethess777 at aol.com>
>> To: tim at errecaldia.com; Santiagobis at yahoogroups.com; gocamino at oakapple.net;
>> saintjames at yahoogroups.com; punaisesdelits at gmail.com
>> Sent: Sun, October 10, 2010 9:42:18 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Gocamino] [Santiagobis] Re: bed bugs at Rubiaes
>>
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>>
>>
>> Just a comment... pyrethrum is the same ingredient used to kill head lice. It´s
>>
>>
>> the ative ingredient in RID and similar products. I´m not advocating using lice
>>
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>> products for bedbugs, but would advocate further research into pros and cons of
>>
>> its use for that purpose.
>>
>> I´m still in Spain right now and won´t be home for 3 more days.
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tim <tim at errecaldia.com>
>> To: Santiagobis at yahoogroups.com; GoCamino <gocamino at oakapple.net>; †Yahoo Saint
>>
>> James <saintjames at yahoogroups.com>; elisaetjean brin
>>
> <punaisesdelits at gmail.com>
>
>> Sent: Sun, Oct 10, 2010 10:18 am
>> Subject: Re: [Gocamino] [Santiagobis] Re: bed bugs at Rubiaes
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>> This is re bed bugs in general and not the problems of a particular
>> albergue. A small French company has developed a spray which seem to be
>> very effective against the little horrors it's also a non man made
>> pesticide being based on pyrethrum which is found in nature in
>> chrysanthemums. The only problem is that at this moment their web site
>> is only in French Clako <http://www.clako-punaises.com/fr/accueil> but
>> if you persist you will find this page on the site list of retailers
>> <https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Amzw1kWlZ1_kdFlEU0NGYTBIUWV4ejV0d2NuVDdhRXc&hl=fr#gid=0>
>>
>>
>> which is a google spreadsheet listing all of the retailers who are
>> mainly to be found on the Chemin between Le Puy and St Jean Pied de Port
>> with quite a few in St Jean itself.
>> I hope this helps.
>> Tim
>>
>> Diana Rautenbach wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> We were there in 2008 and encountered the same problem. We removed
>>> everything from the bed, the plank underneath as well, stamped the
>>> whole lot out outside and returned only the wood. We then slept in our
>>> sleepingbags after having smeared the legs thickly at the bottom with
>>> Nivea cream and had no problem with the bugs.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> *From:* Bev Parslow <bparslowca at yahoo.ca>
>>> *To:* Santiagobis at yahoogroups.com
>>> *Sent:* Thu, October 7, 2010 5:32:18 PM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Santiagobis] Re: bed bugs at Rubiaes
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> After my visit the albergue was shut down and fumigated. There were
>>> several instances of bed bugs when I was there. Dead ones were seen
>>> and people bitten. It was reported to the hospitalero. At the moment
>>> all my stuff is in the deep freeze for 2 weeks. If you did not get
>>> them, then you were lucky. I agree, it was a great place.
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> *From:* John B <rustyacres at yahoo.com>
>>> *To:* Santiagobis at yahoogroups.com
>>> *Sent:* Thu, October 7, 2010 7:48:35 AM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Santiagobis] Re: bed bugs at Rubiaes
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We were at Rubiaes on the night of Sept. 12 and had absolutely no
>>> problem. I thought that it was a delightful albergue.
>>>
>>> John Boehm
>>> Woodland, CA
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On *Thu, 10/7/10, Heather /<hthr_ptrck at yahoo.com>/* wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Heather <hthr_ptrck at yahoo.com>
>>> Subject: [Santiagobis] Re: bed bugs at Rubiaes
>>> To: Santiagobis at yahoogroups.com
>>> Date: Thursday, October 7, 2010, 5:18 AM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi, Did anyone actually see the bed bugs? Our group of Camino
>>> friends arrived at Rubias on 17th Sept and settled in to the
>>> comfortable Albergue. Soon a young woman ,who hated everything
>>> about her Camino experience,saw an insect and began panicking and
>>> stamping scarey messages in the day book. Some of our group felt
>>> panicky also but I decided not to look as there wasn't much we
>>> could do about it.
>>> Next morning no one had any bites or saw signs of the craturs. I
>>> meant to write something in the book but forgot.
>>> We all enjoyed our Camino Portuguese by the way with the albergues
>>> being mainly full from Porto. Not many from Lisbon.
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> --- In Santiagobis at yahoogroups.com, Bev Parslow <bparslowca at ...>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thank you so much. We found some at the albergue and some more
>>>>
>>> later in the
>>>
>>>> luggage. It is a super Albergue. One of the best facilities on
>>>>
>>> the camino. Hope
>>>
>>>> things go well for you. Thanks again.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: Jose Sanches <jls at ...>
>>>> To: Santiagobis at yahoogroups.com
>>>> Sent: Sun, October 3, 2010 3:54:13 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Santiagobis] bed bugs at Rubiaes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The albergue closed from 22 to 26, for "fumigation".
>>>> Everything have been taken care, no more bed bugs :)
>>>>
>>>> Bom Caminho
>>>> joseluis
>>>>
>>>> http://www.vialusitana.com
>>>>
>>>> On 2010/10/01, at 14:11, Bev Parslow wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Just come back from the portugese route. Please be advised that
>>>>> there are bed bugs in this albergue when we went through.
>>>>>
>>>
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