[Gocamino] [Santiagobis] Re: bed bugs at Rubiaes
patrush1 at verizon.net
patrush1 at verizon.net
Mon Oct 11 08:34:53 PDT 2010
Re permethrin: it is a synthetic pyrethroid, but unlike DEET it kills insects;
it doesn't just repel them. In looking at various state health department
guidelines for its use, I learned that the reason not to spray on skin is that
human skin breaks down the permethrin quickly, making it ineffective. The
chemical was apparently developed in the 70s especially to be used on
cloth--tents, nets, sleeping bags, clothing, etc. I guess to use or not to use
is a personal decision, but here in upstate NY, faced with West Nile virus in
mosquitos and the nasty bacteria in deer ticks (Lyme disease, babiosis, etc),
I'm glad I have a choice. Fortunately, the little chinches do not carry disease
but let me tell you, they are all over the place--not in my house yet, but given
the amount of traveling I do, it's only a matter of time.
Have any peregrinos had experience with treated sleeping bags or sleeping bag
liners?
Patricia Rush
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From: Grant Spangler <gaspangler at hotmail.com>
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Sent: Sun, October 10, 2010 11:15:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Gocamino] [Santiagobis] Re: bed bugs at Rubiaes
Permethrin is also available here in the US in 99 cent stores.
http://www.elcaminosantiago.com/Images/Permethrin.jpg
Note the four bottles in the photo, all contain the same stuff, but the Sawyer
bottle on the left is noticeably more expensive (like 10x). The three bottles on
the right have different labels but identical contents.
Treat your own stuff: Take a gallon zip-lock bag, empty the contents a bottle,
then one by one soak your clothing for about 5 minutes each. Wring ‘em out and
put on a plastic coat hanger to dry. You should be able to treat a silk sleep
sack the same way in hopes of avoiding their nocturnal visits. I have read that
Permethrin is a poor repellant for chinches, but it’s probably going to do you
no harm.
If you want to try DEET, test it on your skin at home before making you way to
the Road. Some people are allergic, and it tends to discolor clothing and
sleeping bags. Keep out of eyes.
Hospitaleros/as: Diatomaceous Earth (think 'White Cliffs of Dover') is a fine
non-toxic way to treat any premises, the chalk punctures the critter’s
exoskeletons and they simply dehydrate. Use a squeeze bottle to blow it into the
cracks and crevices they live in during the day.
Buen Camino,
Grant
http://www.ElCaminoSantiago.com
Resources for the Pilgrimage Road to Santiago
> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 11:53:44 -0700
> From: patrush1 at verizon.net
> To: rebrites at yahoo.com; jethess777 at aol.com; tim at errecaldia.com;
>Santiagobis at yahoogroups.com; gocamino at oakapple.net; saintjames at yahoogroups.com;
>punaisesdelits at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [Gocamino] [Santiagobis] Re: bed bugs at Rubiaes
>
> Rebekah is correct; permethrin is very toxic to cats, and to fish. Cats have
> died from getting flea treatments with permethrin as an ingredient. I suspect
> that using a treated sleeping bag liner, however, would not expose cats in an
> albergue to any danger, unless the cat curled up next to you at night. By the
> way, the spray bottles of permethrin caution users to use it only outdoors, and
>
> to avoid inhaling the spray. It is a neurotoxin, although apparently not
> well-absorbed by human skin.
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>
> Patricia Rush
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> ________________________________
> From: Rebekah Scott <rebrites at yahoo.com>
> To: Joanie Hess <jethess777 at aol.com>; tim at errecaldia.com;
> Santiagobis at yahoogroups.com; gocamino at oakapple.net; saintjames at yahoogroups.com;
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> Sent: Sun, October 10, 2010 2:28:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [Gocamino] [Santiagobis] Re: bed bugs at Rubiaes
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> DO NOT use this permethrin stuff anywhere near a cat. It is poisonous to them.
> We keep a fine cat, and we bar any pilgrim who insists on spraying this stuff
> around the house. We love pilgrims, but if you poison our Murphy Cat we will
>not
>
> be so fond of you. Be sure to ask before you start squirting chemicals around
> albergues. You are not the only creature who stays there.
>
>
> Rebekah Scott
>
> www.moratinoslife.blogspot.com
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> "One ought, every day at least, to hear a little song, read a good poem, see a
> fine picture, and if it were possible, to speak a few reasonable words."
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> --Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
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> --- On Sun, 10/10/10, patrush1 at verizon.net <patrush1 at verizon.net> wrote:
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> From: patrush1 at verizon.net <patrush1 at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [Gocamino] [Santiagobis] Re: bed bugs at Rubiaes
> To: "Joanie Hess" <jethess777 at aol.com>, tim at errecaldia.com,
> Santiagobis at yahoogroups.com, gocamino at oakapple.net, saintjames at yahoogroups.com,
>
> punaisesdelits at gmail.com
> Date: Sunday, October 10, 2010, 6:45 PM
>
> There is a synthetic form of pyrethrim called permethrin; it's available in the
>
> US in spray form, manufactured by Sawyer, and sold at sporting goods stores. In
>
>
> the northeast hikers use it to spray boots, socks and pantlegs as protection
> against ticks. There is also a permethrin-treated sleeping bag liner available
> at the US store REI, and also a line of permethrin-treated clothing for hikers
> made by a company called Buzz Off. Permethrin should be not be applied directly
>
>
> to skin, but can be used on clothing which touches skin. Treated fabrics can go
>
>
> through multiple washings. None of this information will help any of you
> currently dealing with bug issues on the Camino, but might be of interest for
> future pilgrims.
>
> Patricia Rush, upstate NY
>
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> From: Joanie Hess <jethess777 at aol.com>
> To: tim at errecaldia.com; Santiagobis at yahoogroups.com; gocamino at oakapple.net;
> saintjames at yahoogroups.com; punaisesdelits at gmail.com
> Sent: Sun, October 10, 2010 9:42:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [Gocamino] [Santiagobis] Re: bed bugs at Rubiaes
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> Just a comment... pyrethrum is the same ingredient used to kill head lice. It´s
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> the ative ingredient in RID and similar products. I´m not advocating using lice
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> products for bedbugs, but would advocate further research into pros and cons of
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> its use for that purpose.
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> I´m still in Spain right now and won´t be home for 3 more days.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim <tim at errecaldia.com>
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> James <saintjames at yahoogroups.com>; elisaetjean brin
<punaisesdelits at gmail.com>
> Sent: Sun, Oct 10, 2010 10:18 am
> Subject: Re: [Gocamino] [Santiagobis] Re: bed bugs at Rubiaes
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>
> Hi,
> This is re bed bugs in general and not the problems of a particular
> albergue. A small French company has developed a spray which seem to be
> very effective against the little horrors it's also a non man made
> pesticide being based on pyrethrum which is found in nature in
> chrysanthemums. The only problem is that at this moment their web site
> is only in French Clako <http://www.clako-punaises.com/fr/accueil> but
> if you persist you will find this page on the site list of retailers
><https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Amzw1kWlZ1_kdFlEU0NGYTBIUWV4ejV0d2NuVDdhRXc&hl=fr#gid=0>
>>
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>
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> which is a google spreadsheet listing all of the retailers who are
> mainly to be found on the Chemin between Le Puy and St Jean Pied de Port
> with quite a few in St Jean itself.
> I hope this helps.
> Tim
>
> Diana Rautenbach wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > We were there in 2008 and encountered the same problem. We removed
> > everything from the bed, the plank underneath as well, stamped the
> > whole lot out outside and returned only the wood. We then slept in our
> > sleepingbags after having smeared the legs thickly at the bottom with
> > Nivea cream and had no problem with the bugs.
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > *From:* Bev Parslow <bparslowca at yahoo.ca>
> > *To:* Santiagobis at yahoogroups.com
> > *Sent:* Thu, October 7, 2010 5:32:18 PM
> > *Subject:* Re: [Santiagobis] Re: bed bugs at Rubiaes
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> > After my visit the albergue was shut down and fumigated. There were
> > several instances of bed bugs when I was there. Dead ones were seen
> > and people bitten. It was reported to the hospitalero. At the moment
> > all my stuff is in the deep freeze for 2 weeks. If you did not get
> > them, then you were lucky. I agree, it was a great place.
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > *From:* John B <rustyacres at yahoo.com>
> > *To:* Santiagobis at yahoogroups.com
> > *Sent:* Thu, October 7, 2010 7:48:35 AM
> > *Subject:* Re: [Santiagobis] Re: bed bugs at Rubiaes
> >
> >
> >
> > We were at Rubiaes on the night of Sept. 12 and had absolutely no
> > problem. I thought that it was a delightful albergue.
> >
> > John Boehm
> > Woodland, CA
> >
> >
> > --- On *Thu, 10/7/10, Heather /<hthr_ptrck at yahoo.com>/* wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Heather <hthr_ptrck at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: [Santiagobis] Re: bed bugs at Rubiaes
> > To: Santiagobis at yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Thursday, October 7, 2010, 5:18 AM
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi, Did anyone actually see the bed bugs? Our group of Camino
> > friends arrived at Rubias on 17th Sept and settled in to the
> > comfortable Albergue. Soon a young woman ,who hated everything
> > about her Camino experience,saw an insect and began panicking and
> > stamping scarey messages in the day book. Some of our group felt
> > panicky also but I decided not to look as there wasn't much we
> > could do about it.
> > Next morning no one had any bites or saw signs of the craturs. I
> > meant to write something in the book but forgot.
> > We all enjoyed our Camino Portuguese by the way with the albergues
> > being mainly full from Porto. Not many from Lisbon.
> > Cheers
> >
> > --- In Santiagobis at yahoogroups.com, Bev Parslow <bparslowca at ...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Thank you so much. We found some at the albergue and some more
> > later in the
> > > luggage. It is a super Albergue. One of the best facilities on
> > the camino. Hope
> > > things go well for you. Thanks again.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Jose Sanches <jls at ...>
> > > To: Santiagobis at yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Sun, October 3, 2010 3:54:13 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Santiagobis] bed bugs at Rubiaes
> > >
> > >
> > > The albergue closed from 22 to 26, for "fumigation".
> > > Everything have been taken care, no more bed bugs :)
> > >
> > > Bom Caminho
> > > joseluis
> > >
> > > http://www.vialusitana.com
> > >
> > > On 2010/10/01, at 14:11, Bev Parslow wrote:
> > > > Just come back from the portugese route. Please be advised that
> > > > there are bed bugs in this albergue when we went through.
> > >
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