[Gocamino] Wise pilgrim

Wed Jul 31 13:03:33 PDT 2013

Hi all,
Could you guys stop this intellectual diarrhea and go back what this forum
is about: give the newbie's advise.
Maybe the prayer of La Faba could help you to understand.
Regards,
Jurgen Forster

> Quote:  "This is a forum for pilgrims. People on a journey or search of
moral
> or spiritual significance."

If you were the Forum owner or moderator would
> you exclude those who don't
qualify for the above?

On 31 July 2013 19:37,
> <cwlowery at pga.com> wrote:

>
> This is a good example of a false idea being
> postulated, and a discussion
> ensuing as to its degree of rightness. Without
> anyone saying, " This is
> false".
>
> No, not well said.
>
> Like calling
> something blue, red, and discussing the quality of it's
> redness. We have
> words in order to distinguish things.
>
> PILGRIMAGE- A journey or search of
> moral or spiritual significance.
>
> So what is the elephant in the room? Who
> said the emperor has no clothes?
> I do.
>
> The curious hikers you speak are
> not being discussed here. This is a forum
> for pilgrims. People on a journey
> or search of moral or spiritual
> significance.
>
> See the subject you type
> under? WISE PILGRIM
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Joanie Hess"
> <jethess777 at aol.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 4:45am
> To:
> cwlowery at pga.com, richard at fergusonsculpture.com
> Cc: gocamino at oakapple.net,
> santiagobis at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: Re: [Gocamino] Wise pilgrim
>
>
>
>
> Well said!
> I think the discussion, while noteworthy initially, has been run
> into the
> ground.  By now, most everyone is in one of two camps-- those that
> want
> such a gadget and those who don't.  I find the continuation of a
> discussion
> of why one would or wouldn't a bit like those striving to convert
> others to
> their way of thought (and the purpose behind it being the
> dissatisfaction
> that 100% of the folks don't think so in either
> direction).
> At least lodging, what to pack, airline flights, new products
> that might
> be useful to today's pilgrim --  all the result of improved
> technology,
> BTW--  keeps changing to the point where it is necessary to be
> alerted to
> such so that can make a pilgrimage happen.
>
> Just my
> thoughts...
> Joanie
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> cwlowery at pga.com
> To: Richard Ferguson
> Cc: †GoCamino OakApple ; Santiagobis
> Camino
> Sent: Wed, Jul 31, 2013 1:17 am
> Subject: Re: [Gocamino] Wise
> pilgrim
>
>
>
> Yes Richard, it does seem natural that a person embarking on a
> long walk
> in order to develop a clearer understanding of the ancient meaning
> of life
> would have some reservation about carrying these gadgets. And
> further, for
> these gadgets to become a topic on a forum such as this seems
> odd. And
> further, for these gadgets these folks speak of, to become the
> primary
> focus of a forum such as this, one dedicated to the pilgrim in all
> of us
> seems ridiculous to an experienced pilgrim, say from 1300's. We all
> have a
> tendency to be easily led, to accept as valid a notion brought forth
> by
> someone. I speak up to shake this conversation into the idea that these
>
> gadgets, invented and marketed by slick salesman, have nothing to do with a
>
> pilgrimage, and the idea that they do is ridiculous. Or something else.
>
> Maybe evidence that the best intended souls, men and women who engage this
>
> forum, sharing their deep memories and epiphanies of the way, people who
> are
> educated, wisened, successful, have been taken in, like their children,
> by
> these salesmen and their gadgets,  selling their wears to anyone who can
> buy
> them. Its just a different perspective -----Original Message-----From:
>
> "Richard Ferguson" <[mailto:richard at fergusonsculpture.com]
>
> richard at fergusonsculpture.com>Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 1:40amTo:
>
> [mailto:cwlowery at pga.com] cwlowery at pga.comCc: "Sil" <[mailto:
>
> sillydoll at gmail.com] sillydoll at gmail.com>, "†GoCamino OakApple" <[mailto:
>
> gocamino at oakapple.net] gocamino at oakapple.net>, "Santiagobis Camino"
>
> <[mailto:santiagobis at yahoogroups.com] santiagobis at yahoogroups.com>Subject:
>
> Re: Wise pilgrimAs a late adopter of smartphones, I just returned from my>
> first overseas trip during which I had a smartphone with a working internet
>
> connection.   It did change the trip.  Sometimes I used it for navigation,
>
> other times for email, translation, Facebook, or just plain looking up
>
> things.  I did blog the trip, but with a laptop, not a smartphone.  I used
>
> the smartphone multiple times a day.But I am having some second thoughts
>
> about doing a camino with all of that technology.  Certainly walking with a
>
> GPS is a different experience than reading a map and asking for directions.
>
> Yet I would like to be able to email, or call home, or just call for a
>
> reservation.    I suppose that I could leave my phone turned off until I
>
> have a real need for it. Or not buy a data plan, and only have internet
>
> access where I have WIFI. I think that part of my hesitation is that for
> me,
> asking for directions was an important part of my experience when I
> walked
> before.  Also, computers are a big part of my daily life, and if I
> carry my
> smartphone, that is like a continuation of my regular life.  Maybe
> I think
> that a pilgrimage should be a significant break with my regular
> life,
> stripping it down to the essentials.......Last time I walked I had an
> email
> list, and emailed a report when I could, which kept family and
> friends
> informed.  To some extent, writing down your experiences, in a
> notebook or
> on a computer, has value, in terms of forcing you to think
> through and
> describe your experience.   I was thinking that a smartphone
> could let me
> write and email or blog my experiences.Decisions,
> decisions......  I am
> currently planning to walk in March-April, probably
> from somewhere in France
> to Pamplona, so I am starting to focus more on
> pilgrimage.RichardOn Jul 21,
> 2013, at 2:13 PM, [mailto:cwlowery at pga.com]
> cwlowery at pga.com wrote:> > Thank
> you for the responses gentlemen. I do
> feel blessed to have walked with
> nothing save a very small amount of food
> and water. And to walk in Silence.>
> I feel blessed to not even be able to
> remotely understand how someone could
> make pilgrimage and try to carry so
> much. It seems so contradictory to me.>
> > Jesus said judge not, lest. Yes,
> this I understand. And I am happy for
> anyone who finds their way, using
> whatever means they choose.> > But for me,
> when asked by his disciples
> where will we sleep, He said, Consider the
> birds. Find Peace here.> > When
> asked by his disciples, "What will we eat?"
> Buddha said the Lord will
> provide.> > I believe these are important lessons
> they were teaching.  A
> pilgrimage can be a singular chance in one's life to
> leave the inventions
> of entrepeneurs and slick salesmen behind. Yes it is
> possible.> >
> -----Original Message-----> From: "Sil"
> <[mailto:sillydoll at gmail.com]
> sillydoll at gmail.com>> Sent: Sunday, July 21,
> 2013 10:17am> To: [mailto:
> saintjames at yahoogroups.com]
> saintjames at yahoogroups.com> Cc: [mailto:
> cwlowery at pga.com] cwlowery at pga.com,
> [mailto:santiagobis at yahoogroups.com]
> santiagobis at yahoogroups.com,
> [mailto:gocamino at oakapple.net]
> gocamino at oakapple.net> Subject: Re:
> [saintjames] Re: [Gocamino] Wise
> pilgrim> > > > To add to Bob's list, we now
> have shirts that wick-away the
> sweat. Gortex shoes.  Telescopic walking
> poles. Sunglasses.  Motor cars,
> trains, buses.  Telephones, email, Internet.
> Elevators and escalators.>
> And, we'd have to do without café-con-leche
> (coffee was only introduced in
> Europe in the 17thc) no tomatoes for those
> salsas, no patata tortiallas
> (potatoes were also only introduced in the 18th
> c) and many other delicious
> things we take for granted.  No - its not
> possible to replicate the
> medieval experience and every generation adds new
> technology to the walking
> pilgrim.> > > On 21 July 2013 15:51, Robert
> Spenger <[[mailto:
> rspenger at earthlink.net?] mailto:rspenger at earthlink.net]
> [mailto:
> rspenger at earthlink.net] rspenger at earthlink.net> wrote:> Devices -
> like
> trans-atlantic jet planes? Albergues, not only with running water,
> but
> often heated? Like lightweight packs and well made walking shoes?
> Credit
> cards and paper money instead of heavy coins? The list goes on and
> on. It
> is not the same world; it is not possible to have the same experience
> as a
> medieval pilgrim. Nor is it likely that anyone on this forum has
>
> experienced the kind of life that the medieval folks lived just staying at
>
> home.> > I have done several caminos without mobile electronic devices
>
> except for cameras. Now that I have an iPad mini (obviously not a necessity
>
> - just a fun toy) I would like to find out just how much I can do with it.
>
> It is a challenge, just like walking the camino in my 80s. Come to think of
>
> it, in the old days I would have been lucky to have made it to half that
>
> age. A couple of other devices come to mind. Corrective lenses have been
>
> around for a couple of centuries at least, but certainly not available for
>
> the 12th century pilgrim. Many modern folks would find it very difficult to
>
> get by without their glasses. I manage to get lost even with them. Also, in
>
> my own case, porcine tissue aortic valves were just a dream much less than
> a
> century ago. Now there is an indispensable device for me at least. it is
> not
> electronic, but replacement heart valves were developed just about the
> same
> time that the transistor was.> > Bob S.> > > > On Jul 20, 2013, at
> 9:27 PM,
> [[mailto:cwlowery at pga.com?] mailto:cwlowery at pga.com] [mailto:
>
> cwlowery at pga.com] cwlowery at pga.com wrote:> > Imagine when people walked
> this
> way without these devices you speak of. Can you? If so, do you feel
> that
> they have a different experience to yours? Imagine thousands of years
> ago.
> Tap away> > -----Original Message-----> From: "Robert Spenger"
>
> <[[mailto:rspenger at earthlink.net?] mailto:rspenger at earthlink.net] [mailto:
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> rspenger at earthlink.net] rspenger at earthlink.net>> Sent: Thursday, July 18,>
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> gocamino at oakapple.net] gocamino at oakapple.net> Subject: [Gocamino] Wise
>
> pilgrim> > Well, I have overcome one major road block (camino block?). I
>
> kept getting the elevation plot for the first stage when I tapped on
> various
> arrows. I finally found out that scrolling down that page reveals
> the
> promised information. I have not found any directions in the
> application
> that indicate this procedure. Not very intuitive I might say.
> Or am I just
> too dense?> > Bob S.> > > Sent from my iPad mini>
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