[Gocamino] The Way the movie in Toronto.and in the U.S.A. at last!

Tue Oct 11 06:55:31 PDT 2011

Sil

Thank you for your pedantic, but irrelevant message. Have you ever encountered the  Argumentum Ad-hominem: Shoot the messenger fallacy? 

You do not address any of the issues that I raised:

1. Who are the the "dictator(s of) so-called "political  correctness",  

2. Who are the perpetrators of "a relentless determination to eradicate the Christian foundations of these U.S. of A."

3. Who is responsible for keeping "movies and TV programs with what might be perceived as a Christian slant off
movie houses and television airings, and out of circulation".

4. What  does this imply, if not a veiled threat? "Nevertheless, the nearly 90% Christian population of the country will not be
denied; not for long."

5. Where did this 90% number come from?  Does it include Mormons?

Take another look at the original rant before you go on the attack against me for throwing some cold water in your face.  Then tell me candidly whether you embrace the same sentiments.

Howard

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From: Sil <sillydoll at gmail.com>
To: hme347 <hme347 at aol.com>
Cc: Gocamino <gocamino at oakapple.net>; saintjames <saintjames at yahoo.com>
Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:20 am
Subject: Re: [Gocamino] The Way the movie in Toronto.and in the U.S.A. at last!

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On 11 October 2011 14:13, Howard Mendes <hme347 at aol.com> wrote:

This is my first posting in several months. You are dredging up "old news" with my previous contributions.  I cannot write to Rosina privately, unfortunately, because she has publucly stated that she has blocked all messages I send.  If I said Grant was intolerant on some issue, I was probably correct. You are nothing but an apologist for Rosina's demogogy and anti-pluralistic rant.  Shame!.

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From: Sil <sillydoll at gmail.com>
To: Howard Mendes <hme347 at aol.com>
Cc: blaroli <blaroli at aol.com>; GoCamino <GoCamino at oakapple.net>; saintjames <saintjames at yahoo.com>
Sent: Mon, Oct 10, 2011 10:29 pm
Subject: Re: [Gocamino] The Way the movie in Toronto.and in the U.S.A. at last!

Howard Medes!  I think you owe us all an apology for your rude, aggressive, un-called for response to a fellow Forum member's post.  I, for one, am growing exceedingly irritated with your outbursts at every post that doesn't agree with your view.
Practise what you've preached in response to Wilna's question about your lack of Camino spirit:

By the way, if you haveproblems with me or my postings, please send me private messages so I do nothave copy everyone in my responses to let them know what I think of yourListserve remarks.

And bear in mind what you once said to Grant Spangler:

You are guilty of the intolerance that you decry.

On 11 October 2011 06:59, Howard Mendes <hme347 at aol.com> wrote:

Excuse me, Rosina!  Where do you get YOUR political correctness?  Who are the dictators you refer to? Who is trying to "eradicate the religious foundations of these U.S. of A."?  The Roberts Supreme Court? Justices Scalia, Alito and Thomas?

Perhaps zealots like you are not happy with movie exhibitors and TV producers who are exercising their prerogatives giving the public what they want to see, not religious screes and propaganda. (I am NOT referring to "The Way" since I have not seen the film and I have no idea why the NY Times did not give the names of the theaters where it can be seen.  I doubt whether there was anything sinister going on as you imply.  Just an editorial oversight.)

How many of the "90% Christian population" (sic) are churchgoers or actually practice their faith in any way except at Christmas?  Did you include Mormons in the 90%?  Do I detect a threat that you and your cohorts in the Tea Party, Moral Majority and other ultra right wing groups intend to rise up and do something if you are denied Christian "slanted" offerings?  I find your pro-Christian diatribe just as offensive as the pro-Moslem, anti-Christian violence now taking place in Egypt.

I think you owe us all an apology for your narrow-minded, anti American ranting which is copied below.

As anyone in these parts can't fail to perceive, on a daily basis, the
dictatorial so-called "political  correctness",  and a relentless determination
to eradicate the Christian foundations of these U.S. of A.,  pretty much keeps
movies and TV programs with what might be perceived as a Christian slant  off
movie houses and television airings, and out of circulation.
Nevertheless, the nearly 90% Christian population of the country will not be
denied; not for long.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rosina <blaroli at aol.com>
To: GoCamino <GoCamino at oakapple.net>; saintjames <saintjames at yahoo.com>
Sent: Mon, Oct 10, 2011 6:33 pm
Subject: Re: [Gocamino] The Way the movie in Toronto.and in the U.S.A. at last!

As anyone in these parts can't fail to perceive, on a daily basis, the
dictatorial so-called "political  correctness",  and a relentless determination
to eradicate the Christian foundations of these U.S. of A.,  pretty much keeps
movies and TV programs with what might be perceived as a Christian slant  off
movie houses and television airings, and out of circulation.
Nevertheless, the nearly 90% Christian population of the country will not be
denied; not for long.
And so,..... last Sunday the NY Times, an erstwhile responsible  newspaper sadly
metamorphosed into the clarion of  political merchantability, published a tiny
article about the Martin Sheen's movie "The Way"  that will finally be released
commercially here.  Not surprisingly, the newspaper doesn't disclose the
theatres where the movie will be shown.  The "article" merely mentions that the
movie will "open on Friday nationwide".
 Because these listservs, protectively, preclude attachments, a verbatim
reproduction of the small piece reads:

"One thing you quickly realize when you sit to watch "The Way": Martin Sheen is
a very compelling actor. Another thing you realize more slowly as the film goes
along: His oldest son, Emilio Estevez, is a very sensitive director.
Mr. Estevez is both writer and director of this film, and also turns up in a
small role, but he gives the spotlight to his father, who makes quite a lot out
of a low-key story that could easily have degenerated into mush.  Mr. Sheen
plays an ophthalmologist named Tom  whose only son, Daniel (Mr. Estevez) dies in
severe weather in the Pyrenees while trying to walk the Way of Saint James (also
known as the Camino de Santiago), a pilgrimage of hundreds of miles that ends in
northwest Spain at a Cathedral where the Apostle James is said to be buried.
Tom goes to retrieve his son's body and ends up walking the pilgrimage himself,
scattering Daniel's ashes along the way.  Mr Sheen gives a lovely performance as
the no-nonsense doctor. and he gets wonderful support from actors playing fellow
travelers who befriend Tom:  Yorick van Wageningen as a verbose Dutchman,
Deborah Kara Lingen as an acid-tongued woman trying to quit smoking, and James
Nesbitt as an Irishman  with writer's block.
 This is not an "inspirational" film in the usual, syrupy sense; none of these
people are overtly finding God on this trek. The beauty of this movie, in fact,
is that Mr Estevez does not make explicit what any of them find (sic) beyond
friendship. He lets these four fine actors convey that true personal
transformations are not announced with fanfare, but happen internally."

Blessed and fortunate are we, Santiago pilgrims, who have lived the  truth of
the last sentence and know that the end of the Camino pilgrimage at the Santiago
Cathedral is the beginning revealed.

Hugs!

Rosina

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From: Sue Kenney <kenneysue at gmail.com>
To: gocamino <gocamino at oakapple.net>
Sent: Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:39 pm
Subject: [Gocamino] The Way the movie in Toronto

Tomorrow, October 11 The Way the movie is screening in Toronto at the AMC at
undas and Yonge. I'll be there. Here's the link.
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usan Regan Kenney
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uthor of Canadian best selling book My Camino
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