[Gocamino] Gocamino Digest, Vol 44, Issue 16
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Rosina:
Is there any printed guide that you may recommend for the Camino Primitivo? I completed the Camino Frances this year and, though enjoyable, resented the crowds at times. I would love to do the Primitivo next year.
Thank you,
Julio
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1. Re: 2008 April and May pilgrims (Rosina)
2. Crowds in 2009? (Rosina)
3. Re: 2008 April and May pilgrims (Donald Schell)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:54:23 -0400
From: Rosina <blaroli at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Gocamino] 2008 April and May pilgrims
To: donaldschell at saintgregorys.org, GoCamino at oakapple.net,
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Hello Donald and all,
,
The Primitive Way (El Camino Primitivo) was followed by the first Santiago
pilgrims that went from Asturias to the tomb of Saint James. It is,
consequently, believed to be the very first established Xacobean route, which
explains its name.(Primitivo, in Spanish, means "the first one".... in fact,
many first-born sons are actually given such name as their official one).
King Alfonso II, ?The Chaste? himself went from his Asturian Capital, Oviedo, to
the tomb of Saint James at the beginning of the Ninth Century following this
route. This monarch was decisive in declaring the remains found in Compostela to
be those of the Apostle; he also financed the building of the first basilica in
the nescient town of Santiago and encouraged and endowed the establishment of
the first monastic communities in the environs.
Because of its origin, the Camino Primitivo is chock-full of
unbelievable?historical treasures, relics and ruins, made more stunningly
amazing because they are scarcely known.
The Camino Primitivo traditionally commenced in Oviedo, but eventually was
followed by northern Spaniards and Europeans as well, It was dotted by
?hospitals??(places of refuge and shelter) for pilgrims, particularly situated
on the heights of mountains and hills (witness Fonsagrada) to aid pilgrims who
had to contend with snow, wind and the challenges of the terrain.
On the tenth century the French Camino was firmly established and became more
popular because of its easy accessibility from the rest of Europe and the
relative flatness of the terrain if follows.
Today the Camino Primitivo starts at the seaport of Acebo, goes through
?gorgeous landscapes and impressive old towns, such as the one? (still) called
Hospital de Montuoto (Refuge of Mount oto),? A? Fontaneira, with its waterfalls,
O Cadavo, -where Alfonso II met and defeated an Islamic army in a field of
battle called Matanzaz (slaughters)-, Villabade where a Franciscan order settled
in 1457 to take care of pilgrims ( their stunning convent is now attached to the
?church and has been declared a ?National Treasure?.), Castroverde with its
fourteenth century Cathedral dedicated to Saint James,
Lugo (with its still standing city wall; together? with ?Avila in Spain and the
town of Luca in Italy ?where Puccini was born- ?the city walls in these cities
are whole and one can walk totally around the ancient cities on top of them).
>From Lugo the route goes to Melide where, unfortunately, it joins the French
Camino, the crowds and the increasing commercialism.
?
Most of the albergues in the Primitivo are in ancient monasteries, and the
sleeping quarters are around the cloisters. In many of the monasteries pilgrims
still hover around the medieval?kitchens preparing a communal dinner. Unlike
some monasteries in the French Camino which have been compelled to add
facilities, etc., those in the Primitive and Northern Ways remain simple,
serene, beautiful, and soul-touching?. the way they must have been
way-back-when.
?
Hugs!
Rosina?
?
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 12:25:30 -0400
From: Rosina <blaroli at aol.com>
Subject: [Gocamino] Crowds in 2009?
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Hello you all,
?
The Spanish newspapers and the TV and radio commentators are literally bursting
with the promises made by millions of Spaniards to walk the Camino next year if
Spain wins the Euro Cup on Sunday.
?
Already tens and tens and tens of thousands who had made the same vow if Spain
won the semi-finals yesterday, which it did?. handsomely (three goals to none),
are bound to go.
?
As one of you pointed out, Spain had not won against Italy in 88 years, and they
did so in the quarter-finals; it appears that such victory has thrown the entire
country into a euphoric whirlwind. ?Spain has never won a ?futbol? (soccer)
international contest before and they and have never reached as far as they have
this year?. so I guess the country?s madness is understandable. -Even in New
York City, the Galicians who own the restaurant across from where I live kept
giving me and my friends bottle after bottle of ?Cava? (Spanish champagne) on
the house after the victory over Italy!-
?
The last Euro Cup in 2004 was won by Greece, and the very next year Queen Sofia,
who was born and bred in Greece, walked the Camino (accompanied by about 300
government and army people); while she declared that the pilgrimage was in
thanks for her first grandchild everybody knew better.
?
So, I guess the Camino might be pretty crowded next year.
?
Personally, I am heartily rooting for Spain?. And I was going to walk the Camino
next year anyway.
?
Here?s hoping!
?
Rosina
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:36:09 -0700
From: Donald Schell <donaldschell at saintgregorys.org>
Subject: Re: [Gocamino] 2008 April and May pilgrims
To: Rosina <blaroli at aol.com>
Cc: GoCamino at oakapple.net, acaciopaz at yahoo.com.br,
saintjames at yahoogroups.com
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Rosina,
Thank you, and wow. My younger son is asking if we can walk next
June after his college graduation. This sounds like an amazing
answer if we can make it work.
love,
donald
On Jun 27, 2008, at 8:54 AM, Rosina wrote:
>
> Hello Donald and all,
> ,
> The Primitive Way (El Camino Primitivo) was followed by the first
> Santiago pilgrims that went from Asturias to the tomb of Saint
> James. It is, consequently, believed to be the very first
> established Xacobean route, which explains its name.(Primitivo, in
> Spanish, means "the first one".... in fact, many first-born sons
> are actually given such name as their official one).
> King Alfonso II, ?The Chaste? himself went from his Asturian
> Capital, Oviedo, to the tomb of Saint James at the beginning of the
> Ninth Century following this route. This monarch was decisive in
> declaring the remains found in Compostela to be those of the
> Apostle; he also financed the building of the first basilica in the
> nescient town of Santiago and encouraged and endowed the
> establishment of the first monastic communities in the environs.
> Because of its origin, the Camino Primitivo is chock-full of
> unbelievable historical treasures, relics and ruins, made more
> stunningly amazing because they are scarcely known.
> The Camino Primitivo traditionally commenced in Oviedo, but
> eventually was followed by northern Spaniards and Europeans as
> well, It was dotted by ?hospitals? (places of refuge and shelter)
> for pilgrims, particularly situated on the heights of mountains and
> hills (witness Fonsagrada) to aid pilgrims who had to contend with
> snow, wind and the challenges of the terrain.
> On the tenth century the French Camino was firmly established and
> became more popular because of its easy accessibility from the rest
> of Europe and the relative flatness of the terrain if follows.
> Today the Camino Primitivo starts at the seaport of Acebo, goes
> through gorgeous landscapes and impressive old towns, such as the
> one (still) called Hospital de Montuoto (Refuge of Mount oto), A
> Fontaneira, with its waterfalls, O Cadavo, -where Alfonso II met
> and defeated an Islamic army in a field of battle called Matanzaz
> (slaughters)-, Villabade where a Franciscan order settled in 1457
> to take care of pilgrims ( their stunning convent is now attached
> to the church and has been declared a ?National Treasure?.),
> Castroverde with its fourteenth century Cathedral dedicated to
> Saint James,
> Lugo (with its still standing city wall; together with Avila in
> Spain and the town of Luca in Italy ?where Puccini was born- the
> city walls in these cities are whole and one can walk totally
> around the ancient cities on top of them). From Lugo the route goes
> to Melide where, unfortunately, it joins the French Camino, the
> crowds and the increasing commercialism.
>
> Most of the albergues in the Primitivo are in ancient monasteries,
> and the sleeping quarters are around the cloisters. In many of the
> monasteries pilgrims still hover around the medieval kitchens
> preparing a communal dinner. Unlike some monasteries in the French
> Camino which have been compelled to add facilities, etc., those in
> the Primitive and Northern Ways remain simple, serene, beautiful,
> and soul-touching?. the way they must have been way-back-when.
>
> Hugs!
>
> Rosina
>
>
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