[Gocamino] The Cathedral/Steve

Sun May 20 13:21:36 PDT 2007

Well Steve, I tell ya, won't be the first nor the last that am told  I've 
missed the point about so many things, u wouldn't believe it  ! Nonetheless I do  
believe we're talking about architecture, ergo art, not a  science, 
subjective. All impressions should have their place in the Lord's  garden, vast it is. 
But consider this: the Portico de la Glorida is the  entrance to a mighty 
tomb. Could be, however simple minded it may sound.  Best, xm 

In a message dated 5/20/2007 2:58:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
thesouds at comcast.net writes:

xm,

While the cathedral of Santiago definitely contains a  tomb, your  
suggestion entirely misses the semantic point that  Mary is making.   
In all churches it's called a nave,  whether or not someone is  
entombed there.

I, too, have  wondered about the connection between the two words and  
their  different usages, and Mary's interpretation sounds plausible at   
the very least.  The thought that went into the construction  of  
medieval cathedrals, whether through theological  symbolism,  
acoustics, etc. was amazing.  They were the  architectural wonders of  
the  age.

Best,

Steve

On May 20, 2007, at 2:39  PM, Elcaminomejala at aol.com  wrote:

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> Could it be that it's  just a tomb, a grandiose tomb? Best, xm
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> In a message  dated 5/20/2007 2:36:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>  mvwallis at pathcom.ca writes:
>
> HI  everyone - about  the nave as church and nave as ship  
> distinction  that
> Rosina referred to. There is a strong medieval tradition or  topos  
> of  the
> church as a ship carrying the  Christian soul across the tossing   
> ocean of
>  life to salvation. There are Old Testament references that   feed  
> into this,
> e.g.,  Noah's ark, which was  thought in the  patristic tradition to  
>  prefigure
> the Church of the New Testament,  holding. the  Christian soul in  
> safety on
> the sea etc etc....  you get  the idea. In the patristic literature  
> of  the
> early Christian  fathers, you are either on the ship or  off it.  
> It's bad to
> be off it  . In   many seacoast churches, especially where there  
> were  sailors,
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> an actual ship replica can be found in the  nave. So there is an   
> intentional
> play on  words in the two  meanings.
>
>  Mary
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> ----- Original Message -----
>  From:  <blaroli at aol.com>
> To:  <GoCamino at oakapple.net>;   <saintjames at yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007  8:34  AM
> Subject: [Gocamino] Cameras in  Santiago
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>> Hello you  all,
>>  Sil has posted a site that  accesses   cameras   showing views of  
>> three (of
>> the four)  squares  around the Cathedral, and of the ambulatory   
>> people in
>> them, and  of two inside views  of the Cathedral.
>> Lovely, evocative and  active views  of the Quintana, Praterias and
>> Obradeiro squares  can  be seen. The Quintana view includes the  
>> entrance  way
>> to the  Holy Door and the door of the  Archicofradia's information   
>> office.
>>  For some reason, Azabacherias Square is not included   (?)
>> Also, the English translation is not precise.   The  pictures of  
>> the inside
>> of the  Cathedral refer to it as the  Cathedral's "ship".  This is  a
>> mistranslation of the word  "nave" which, when  applied to  a  
>> church means
>> the  long  narrow central hall of a church in a cruciform that   
>> rises higher
>> than the aisles flanking  it.
>> While in Spanish the word  "nave" also means ship  this is not the  
>> meaning
>> intended in  the  titles of the pictures.
>> (By the way, Columbus'  voyage was not  made on three caravels; the  
>>  Santa
>> Maria was a "nave" which was  a larger ship built  by the  
>> Portuguese (a
>> "nao") so that  its  surface and holds would resemble somewhat the   
>> interior
>> of a  church; the Pinta and the  Nina were carabels, which were  
>> smaller  and
>> designed differently).
>> At any rate, the site  for the  cameras is:
>>
>>   http://www.santiagoturismo.com/camaras/
>>
>> Please  note that  the last word. camaras, is spelled with three   
>> "a"s, which
>> is  the  spelling in  Spanish.
>>
>> Thanks again, Sil. You  really are  a doll. The pictures and videos  
>> have
>> made  me very  much aware of my need to go to Santiago for   
>> spiritual nurture
>>  and soul-joy.  If  I didn't have to go to Rio next Tuesday, for  
>> my   one
> free
>> week before May 30th, I would take off for  Santiago  forthwith.
>>
>> And, Grant, thanks for  the words to the Hymn  that accompanies the
>>  Botafumeiro.  I had no  idea.
>>
>>  Hugs!
>>
>>   Rosina
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