[Gocamino] Fwd: [saintjames] Re: restricted camino in 2009

Wed Jun 20 13:15:33 PDT 2007

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From: Silvia Nilsen <silvia_nilsen at yahoo.com>
Date: 20-Jun-2007 21:29
Subject: Re: [saintjames] Re: restricted camino in  2009
To: saintjames at yahoogroups.com

  It is important to remember that there are four different 'types' of
pilgrim refuges along the many camino routes.
1) Municipal - which were formed when Don Elias Valina Sampedro encouraged
local municpalities to provide accommodation for pilgrims.
2) Church - sponsored by the church in Spain and by some of the many orders
that still provide for monasteries and convents.
3) Confraternities and Associations - the CSJ has two sponsored albergues,
the Brazilians have a few, there are Dutch and German sponsored albergues -
none of these belong to the church.
4) Private - run by individuals, families, communities and even a few
ex-pats, some from the Uk and the US.
So, what do the all important Federations of Camino Associations in Spain
think of the church taking over the issueing of credentials?
"Our opinion in Spain is that the credential was born from the associations,
from Elias Valiña in Jaca, (1987) in order to open the albergues to the
pilgrims. Nothing was ever said or ever came from the Cathedral, nor the
Compostela. It was not a matter for the church."

So, although there is nothing to stop the church from insisting that
pilgrims carry a church printed credential to stay in their refuges, it is
unlikely that they will be able to put pressure on all the other albergues
to do the same. The Federation of Camino Associations will very likely
ignore the Xacobeo decision and will continue to print and provide their own
credentials for pilgrims wanting to stay in the many municipal, sponsored
and private albergues along the way. So will the Confraternities in other
countries. The French Society of St Jacques was the first to be formed in
the 1940's and it is unlikely that they will give up their credentials. The
CSJ was formed in 1983 and have been issuing credentials for nearly 25
years. What is their reaction to this move by the church?
" I does seem to me that there should have been some consultation about this
with the overseas groups. The uniltateral declaration is bound to stir up
lingering and lasting resentments among those who are not 'religious' but
have sensed something of the spiritual on their camino. We have not (yet?)
been contacted directly by the cathedral - I wait with bated breath. It does
seem like a kick in the teeth - there is no recognition of what we have been
doing all these years."
There is another school of thought. At a recent CSJ workshop, a veteran
(Catholic) pilgrim said, "When I first walked the camino I paid 1 Euro for a
credential in Roncesvalles. In 2002 it was 2 Euro. This year I paid 5 Euro.
With over 100 000 pilgrims earning a Compostela (and many hundreds more
walking sections of the way) it has become a very lucrative source of
income. Do the math! 100 000 X 5 Euro. Not a bad income if you can control
it - and it wouldn't be the first time in history the church found a way of
making money from pilgrims!

Silvia

Blaroli at aol.com <Blaroli%40aol.com> wrote: It should be remembered that
albergues are absolutely and distinctly meant for pilgrims. This has been
the case for nearly a millennium.
Anyone expressing the wish to make the pilgrimage, whether it be for
religious, cultural, or personal reasons can get a credential.
Why anyone should think that the Camino is a "Cheap Holiday" is
mind-boggling, and a perfect explanation of why the new requirements have
come to be. .

Credentials are, and will be, easy en ought to obtain at any point where one
commences the pilgrimage.

-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony and Barbara <jacobeo at sympatico.ca <jacobeo%40sympatico.ca>>
To: blaroli at aol.com <blaroli%40aol.com>
Sent: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 8:23 am
Subject: restricted camino in 2009

Yesterday I received this from South African Confraternity.

It is official. Sr. Rodriguez Escobar, general director of Xacobeo (the
organization that regulates albergues, etc) has announced the implementation
of the rules that will require those using albergues to pay 3 Euros per
night. The required fees will go into effect next January lst and will
brooch no exceptions.
Apparently this decision is a reaction to the repeated, and increasing,
complaints from many people that fake pilgrims co-opt albergue facilities to
obtain free lodgings depriving legitimate pilgrims of their use.
The computerized interconnection of albergues will also be put into effect
then, as well as the rule that the only pilgrim credentials to be recognized
in albergues and for the purpose of obtaining the Compostela,will be the
ones issued by the Archdiocese which, presumably, will be available
anywhere.
Would-be pilgrims seeking a credential will be scrutinized somewhat more
closely to ascertain their bona-fides. Sr. Rodriguez Escobar allowed that
those abusing the albergues are almost exclusively young Spain nationals
...... mostly students.

The parts that bother me are these:

The computerized interconnection of albergues will also be put into effect
then, as well as the rule that

the only pilgrim credentials to be recognized in albergues and for the
purpose of obtaining the Compostela,will be the ones issued by the
Archdiocese

which, presumably, will be available anywhere.

What if you don't rate a credential and therefore can't stay in albergues?
We can hardly encourage people to travel to Spain - $1400 Cdn - only to find
out that their cheap holiday has suddenly become one they can't afford
because they have to pay $60 every night for a hotel.

Would-be pilgrims seeking a credential will be scrutinized somewhat more
closely to ascertain their bona-fides.

Clearly the opening salvos of a campaign to restrict pilgrims as they see
fit.

While I can understand their concern with false pilgrims and people
undertaking the camino only to walk from Sarria so that they can get a
Compostela I am still not pleased. The Compostela is only a piece of paper -
a photocopy. What it becomes depends on what you did to get it and what it
consequently means to you. If the only intent was to prevent the cheapening
of an old religious tradition then it would be simple to regulate - bring
your baptismal recodes and if you aren't Catholic, you aren't a pilgrim.
Insulting but acceptable. Being shoved out of the refuges because young
Spanish students aren't behaving is inappropriate.

My husband and I have spent hundreds of hours arranging meetings, running a
web site and advising people about the camino. He is off to his third stint
as an hospitalero - this time at Miraz - in August/ September. This time he
is taking along a friend whom we dragged up the Rua de la Plata in 2002.
This is of course all voluntary and out of our only-some-lousy-tourists
pockets.

Our plan at the moment is to run the group in Canada - proper name Canadian
Company of Pilgrims - until next July 25 - at which time we will fold it and
explain why on the web site that we will the take down. We simply CANNOT be
responsible for the Canadians and others that we send out into the
wilderness with our faux credentials.

We had always intended to give any money we had left,should the group fold
to the Confraternity. Under the present circumstances, I think that charity
will begin a lot closer to home.

What I need from someone is the original source of this document, before we
do something unnecessary. Your assistance would be much appreciated.

Barbara Cappuccitti

PS I didn't understand all the blether about there being Other Londons.
While I don't much care for London Ontario - I didn't think it deserved the
contumely of the remarks in the forum.

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