Matamoros statue in the Cathedral

[Karen Mallory]

Well done.   The gracious, peaceful god of Christianity, Islam and Judiasm
(by whatever name each has used)  has been the banner that each group has
used to commit atrocities on the others.

Perhaps another small step would be to take god right out of it - let's call
them extremists or terrorists without attaching a religious affiliation.
The middle eastern terrorists  no more represent the majority of Muslims
than u s military represents the majority of north americans.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeffrey Crawley" <jt.crawleyaUKONLINE.CO.UK>
To: <GOCAMINOaPETE.URI.EDU>
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: Matamoros statue in the Cathedral


> I think Hitler's plans for Europe were drawn up well before Chamberlain
> buckled in. Besides he'd seen what a world war looked like - most of us
> haven't. An ingominious phase of British history (one of many) but then
> there were many anti-communist Nazi appeasers around at the time (a
certain
> Ambassador J Kennedy for one) and at least it gave the Brits the chance to
> regroup and build up some kind of defence. Besides, by 1939 Stalin was too
> busy dividing up the spoils of Poland to want to make an alliance with
> Western Europe against Hitler.
>
> I can understand if the authorities at the cathedral wanted to remove what
> could be considered an inflamatory statue. To most westerners the word
> Crusade conjures up a romantic picture of bold knights rescuing the Holy
> Land whereas the historical fact was that they were a bunch of self
centred,
> money grabbing louts who raped, pilaged and murdered their way across Asia
> Minor (not bothering to discerne between Christian, Jew or Muslim in their
> butchery by the way) and brought terror to the land they claimed to be
> 'liberating' - mmmmm sounds familiar!
>
> Until somebody brokers a peace deal in the Middle East Santiago is no more
> safe than New York, Haifa, London or Madrid. Perhaps removing the causes
or
> resentment is a small step?
>
>
>
>
> If removing the Matamoros ----- Original Message -----
> From: Charles Hansen <VeloTrainaPEOPLEPC.COM>
> To: <GOCAMINOapete.uri.edu>
> Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 11:21 PM
> Subject: Re: Matamoros statue in the Cathedral
>
>
> > Well, the ripple I was pursuing was the concept of appeasement, which
> > certainly appears to be one of the guiding motives of the good fathers
in
> > Santiago.  Expressed differently, seeking to somewhat less displease any
> > Muslim fundamentalists meaning harm to Spain by removing possibly
> > offensive - even if historical - icons from the cathedral.  While
removing
> > this figure from the cathedral may in fact minimally lessen the
> possibility
> > of some nastiness being done there, the nature of these people is such
> that
> > it would only push them to some other target.
> >
> > The inference to WW II Britian was that Chamberlain's efforts at
> appeasement
> > by offering up Eastern Europe as a cookie to Hitler in the vain hopes
that
> > he would then spare the west, did England no good at all and some
parties
> > believe were in fact largely responsible for the success of Germany and
> the
> > fact that WW II took place at all.  If Chamberlain was not blatantly
more
> > staunchly anti-communist than anti-fascist, a linked Europe and Russia
> could
> > have stopped Hitler before he became flushed with his early and easy
> > successes.  Santiago may sleep more soundly, but at the possible cost of
> > some other city being attacked.
> >
> > Charles
>