[Granville-Hough] 10 Jan 2009, A Cool Baptism

[Gerald Gieger]

This reminds me of something, since I am related to common relatives of James Wilson West thru his first and second wives, the Hough sisters, and his brother James Nelson West who married Mary Magdalene Gieger, d/o my ggg-grandparents, Jessie and Tobitha (Martin) Gieger of Covington County. Charlotte (Hough) West and Mary Jane (Hough) West were sisters to my gg-grandmother Louisa Hough who married James Samuel Gieger, supposedly in Smith County.  They all seemed to belong to the same Central Baptist Association churches and are found living in Caldwell and Winn(later Grant) Parishes of LA before and after the War between the States.


I am looking for the 1868 burial place of Grandfather James Samuel Gieger, thought to be in Winn Parish. I have reason to believe that it may be Union Baptist Church Cemetery in Winn Parish, or Old Union Baptist Cemetery in Caldwell Parish. Neither have good records.


Of note, Two other of my gg-grandfather James Samuel Gieger's sisters (Selete Ann Gieger w/o Edward West & Mary Lucinda Gieger w/o Benjamin F West) were married to West brothers of James Wilson West.  All were Sons of Shadrach Nelson West and Penelope Moody.


Anyone with info to share will be gratefully appreciated.


Gerry Gieger

Crowley TX


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To: Trustees for Granville W. Hough
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Subject: Re: [Granville-Hough] 10 Jan 2009, A Cool Baptism

Hough Family,

I see that all of you have been blessed with a bit of winter in the deep South.  The storm that disrupted your lives went out to sea just South of NH and gave us only two inches of snow, just enough to be a routine nuisance. This morning it was 1’F here in Durham, NH, much colder inland and up in the mountains.

I have read Granville’s 2009 letter several times and broken it into paragraphs for clarity.  I even looked up the term “Letter of Demission” and found an explanation of it’s meaning.

One point confuses me about Nora, did Granville leave out an important marriage detail ?  Is Nora Miller Keyes (b 1843) the same person as  Lenora Hough (founder of Fellowship Baptist Church, 1874) ?  If so, she would be 30 years old and remarried.  Did Jebetha Keyes disappear, divorce or die ?  This apparent / possible remarriage would seem to explain how Martha Lenora Miller Keyes (Hough?) became the grandmother of Granville Hough and other Hough’s.

Also, in 1866 when all of the colored members of the Zion Hill Baptist Church received Letters of Dismission would that have most likely indicated that they were forming their own church ?

Just curious, does anyone have an explanations ?

Tom R 3

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(This 2009 email slightly edited for clarity)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 11:22:37 -0800
From: Granville W Hough <gwhough at oakapple.net<mailto:gwhough at oakapple.net>>
Subject: 10 Jan 2009, A Cool Baptism

Grandma Nora Hough’s Cool Baptism.

She was born Martha Lenora (Nora) Miller near old Bunker Hill on 16 Nov 1843, the ninth and last child of Hiram and Susanna Miller. At age 14 or 15 she married Jeptha Keyes, son of Benjamin and Nancy Keyes. Nancy Keyes, the mother-in-law to Nora, then died about 1860. Nora had one child, Benjamin, and was pregnant with the second, Aunt Nannie, on 9 Nov 1861 when Jeptha joined the Zion Hill Baptist Church. He was baptized the next day. The church did not have another conference until 11 Jan 1862, when Grandma Nora Keyes, with her helper, Matilda, came forward with experience to baptism, and her older sister Hannah E. Walker, joined by letter (Letter of Dismission transferring her from another church). Sister Nora Keyes and helper Matilda, sister of color belonging to Benjamin Keyes, were baptized 12 Jan 1862. They were received with the right hand of fellowship into the church.
Grandma Nora was just 18 and mistress of the Keyes household. She developed firm ways that were remembered by her associates and neighbors for generations. Benjamin Keyes had selected a household helper to help Nora with the chores of motherhood and running the house. For the first time, we know this girl was named Matilda. The minister in the water with them was Elder West, known to us as Uncle Wilson West. Little did Nora Keyes know that she would later become his brother-in-law (probably should read sister-in-law).
It may come as a surprise to some who grew up in the segregated South that people were that close to their slaves before the Civil War. It was somewhat like Mary and the little lamb. Everywhere Grandma Nora went, Matilda went. Caring for children together, going to church together, joining together, then to baptism into that freezing water together, then together receiving the right hand of fellowship from their neighbors and friends. There is no hint in the church minutes of any seating arrangement in church, but I assume the colored brothers and sisters wanted to socialize and sat together, and the whites did the same.
It seems that Matilda was the wife of Alford Sullivan when all colored members were given “Letters of Dismission" by Zion Hill on Nov 10, 1866. She and Alford were tenants with the Sullivans for several years and they founded a black Sullivan family.
I think one would certainly say Grandma Nora and Matilda had a cool baptism. There was another eventful and cool day in January well remembered in the family. Fifty years later, when grandson James Harold Hough was born on 6 Jan, 1912, the water was so cold that, as soon as the baby was safely born, new father Elisha Hough rushed into Cohay  swamp to find his cattle frozen in the reed breaks to such an extent he had to chop each one free of ice and get them out to dry land.
I have noted that Frank and Nora Hough joined Ivy and Hannah Walker, Loughton Sullivan, and the Miller sons, the Cole family, and the William Spell family in leaving Sullivan’s Hollow and the Zion Hill Church when certain young Sullivans began to flout the law and terrorize their neighbors. The WPA history of Smith County (pp 116-117) indicates where the Walker and Hough family went. I was always told it was to some high ground or hill land between Raleigh and Taylorsville. It was actually near a primitive school called Fellowship.
In May 1874, the Fellowship Baptist Church was established there with charter members John and Anna Mayfield, Charity Craft, B. P. and Cassandra Duckworth, Hannah E. Walker, J. M. Mayfield, Thomas Hester, Charlotte Hough, Franklin Hough, Lenora Hough, and N. J. Hester. Charlotte (Watts) Hough was the mother of Frank, and she had lived with Frank and Nora after her husband, Zeno, had died. (Charlotte Hough, sister of Frank was already Mrs. Wilson West, and lived in Wayne County.) This Fellowship Baptist Church became the home of Fellowship Cemetery, the largest in Smith County, and the first to have a paid custodian. So, counting Aunt Hannah Walker, Lenora’s older sister, four of the twelve people who founded the Fellowship Church and Cemetery were our folks.

On Jan 10, 2017, at 9:20 AM, Trustees for Granville W. Hough <gwhough-trust at oakapple.net<mailto:gwhough-trust at oakapple.net>> wrote:

Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 11:22:37 -0800
From: Granville W Hough <gwhough at oakapple.net<mailto:gwhough at oakapple.net>>
Subject: 10 Jan 2009, A Cool Baptism

Grandma Nora HoughĈs Cool Baptism.

She was born Martha Lenora
Miller near old Bunker Hill on 16 Nov 1843, the ninth and last child of
Hiram and Susanna Miller. At age 14 or 15 she married Jeptha Keyes, son
of Benjamin and Nancy Keyes. Nancy Keyes, the mother-in-law to Nora,
then died about 1860. Nora had one child, Benjamin, and was pregnant
with the second, Aunt Nannie, on 9 Nov 1861 when Jeptha joined the Zion
Hill Baptist Church. He was baptized the next day. The church did not
have another conference until 11 Jan 1862, when Grandma Nora Keyes, with
her helper, Matilda, came forward with experience to baptism, and her
older sister Hannah E. Walker, joined by letter. Sister Nora Keyes and
helper Matilda, sister of color belonging to Benjamin Keyes, were
baptized 12 Jan 1862. They were received with the right hand of
fellowship into the church. Grandma Nora was just 18 and mistress of the
Keyes household. She developed firm ways that were remembered by her
associates and neighbors for generations. Benjamin Keyes had selected a
household helper to help Nora with the chores of motherhood and running
the house. For the first time, we know this girl was named Matilda. The
minister in the water with them was Elder West, known to us as Uncle
Wilson West. Little did Nora Keyes know that she would later become his
brother-in-law.
(It may come as a surprise to some who grew up in the segregated South
that people were that close to their slaves before the Civil War. It was
somewhat like Mary and the little lamb. Everywhere Grandma Nora went,
Matilda went. Caring for children together, going to church together,
joining together, then to baptism into that freezing water together,
then together receiving the right hand of fellowship from their
neighbors and friends. There is no hint in the church minutes of any
seating arrangement in church, but I assume the colored brothers and
sisters wanted to socialize and sat together, and the whites did the
same. It seems that Matilda was wife of Alford Sullivan when all colored
members were given letters of dismission by Zion Hill on Nov 10, 1866.
She and Alford were tenants with the Sullivans for several years and
they founded a black Sullivan family.)
I think one would certainly say Grandma Nora and Matilda had a cool
baptism. There was another eventful and cool day in January well
remembered in the family. Fifty years later, when grandson James Harold
Hough was born on 6 Jan, 1912, the water was so cold that, as soon as
the baby was safely born, new father Elisha Hough rushed into Cohay
swamp to find his cattle
frozen in the reed breaks to such an extent he had to chop each one free
of ice and get them out to dry land.
I have noted that Frank and Nora Hough joined Ivy and Hannah Walker,
Loughton Sullivan, and the Miller sons, the Cole family, and the William
Spell family in leaving SullivanĈs Hollow and the Zion Hill Church when
certain young Sullivans began to flout the law and terrorize their
neighbors. The WPA history of Smith County (pp 116-117) indicates where
the Walker and Hough family went. I was always told it was to some high
ground or hill land between Raleigh and Taylorsville. It was actually
near a primitive school called Fellowship. In May 1874, the Fellowship
Baptist Church was established there with charter members John and Anna
Mayfield, Charity Craft, B. P. and Cassandra Duckworth, Hannah E.
Walker, J. M. Mayfield, Thomas Hester, Charlotte Hough, Franklin Hough,
Lenora Hough, and N. J. Hester. Charlotte (Watts) Hough was the mother
of Frank, and she had lived with Frank and Nora after her husband, Zeno,
had died. (Charlotte Hough, sister of Frank was already Mrs. Wilson
West, and lived in Wayne County.) This Fellowship Baptist Church became
the home of Fellowship Cemetery, the largest in Smith County, and the
first to have a paid custodian. So, counting Aunt Hannah Walker,
LenoraĈs older sister, four of the twelve people who founded the
Fellowship Church and Cemetery were our folks.


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