<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><B>Santiago matamoros </B>in Iberia, <B>Santiago mataindios</B> in the Americas, and then <B>Santiago mataespañoles</B> (when invoqued by converted Amerindians figthing their Spanish oppressors!) El Señor Santiago has been made to move around a lot on both sides of the charco!<BR>
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Xosé Manuel<B><BR>
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In a message dated 2/25/2003 8:55:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, mjdunnaTXUCOM.NET writes:<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Basically, it seems to me that there are (and always have been) two<BR>
groups (no matter what your nationality, religion, or ethnic group):<BR>
assimilationists (for us to get along we should all have *basically* the<BR>
same (although not necessarily identical) beliefs / language / culture /<BR>
religion) and pluralists (I'm okay, you're okay, let's all be okay,<BR>
separately together). The last young man who spoke and said "it's hard,<BR>
but we have to recognize that Europeans have their own values" is a<BR>
pluralist; the "we've been waiting for 500 years" guy is an<BR>
assimilationist. Your comfort level with either group is your own<BR>
value/belief system.<BR>
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As something to think about however: the Christians' battles(with<BR>
Santiago Matamoros at their lead) are collectively called the<BR>
REconquista--in other words, at some point (most notably 711, and in<BR>
several successive waves after that) the Muslims *conquered* the<BR>
(Christian) Goths by FORCE. The loss of Granada in 1492 was actually the<BR>
culmination of a long, slow, steady retaking of the peninsula whether by<BR>
actual battle, or by decline and degeneration by the Muslims. It's not<BR>
like the entire peninsula was Muslim (and only Muslim) for 780 years and<BR>
suddenly "poof!" it's gone. History is never quite so black and white as<BR>
what it appears (or sounds like)in a seven minute media clip.<BR>
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One last thought before I send this and set the list aflame (sorry<BR>
Linda, but I do love to occasionally play devil's advocate): How many<BR>
students do you suppose study Spanish peninsular history with the<BR>
romantic notion of the "Moors" and never realize that Moors = Muslims?<BR>
While I was student teaching last semester I'd say it ran about 75-85%.<BR>
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Maryjane<BR>
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>I did go back to Silvia Poggioli's piece, I was a bit chilled<BR>
>by the comment made by a young Arab interviewed by Poggioli<BR>
>about the building of a mosque that "we have been waiting for<BR>
>this moment for 500 years" .<BR>
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>Maura<BR>
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