[Gocamino] [Santiagobis] Re: bed bugs at Rubiaes

Sun Oct 10 11:53:44 PDT 2010

Rebekah is correct; permethrin is very toxic to cats, and to fish.  Cats have 
died from getting flea treatments with permethrin as an ingredient.  I suspect 
that using a treated sleeping bag liner, however, would not expose cats in an 
albergue to any danger, unless the cat curled up next to you at night.  By the 
way, the spray bottles of permethrin caution users to use it only outdoors, and 
to avoid inhaling the spray.  It is a neurotoxin, although apparently not 
well-absorbed by human skin.

Patricia Rush

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From: Rebekah Scott <rebrites at yahoo.com>
To: Joanie Hess <jethess777 at aol.com>; tim at errecaldia.com; 
Santiagobis at yahoogroups.com; gocamino at oakapple.net; saintjames at yahoogroups.com; 
punaisesdelits at gmail.com; patrush1 at verizon.net
Sent: Sun, October 10, 2010 2:28:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Gocamino] [Santiagobis] Re: bed bugs at Rubiaes

DO NOT use this permethrin stuff anywhere near a cat. It is poisonous to them.  
We keep a fine cat, and we bar any pilgrim who insists on spraying this stuff 
around the house. We love pilgrims, but if you poison our Murphy Cat we will not 
be so fond of you. Be sure to ask before you start squirting chemicals around 
albergues. You are not the only creature who stays there.  

Rebekah Scott 

www.moratinoslife.blogspot.com

"One ought, every day at least, to hear a little song, read a good poem, see a 
fine picture, and if it were possible, to speak a few reasonable words." 

--Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

--- On Sun, 10/10/10, patrush1 at verizon.net <patrush1 at verizon.net> wrote:

From: patrush1 at verizon.net <patrush1 at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [Gocamino] [Santiagobis] Re: bed bugs at Rubiaes
To: "Joanie Hess" <jethess777 at aol.com>, tim at errecaldia.com, 
Santiagobis at yahoogroups.com, gocamino at oakapple.net, saintjames at yahoogroups.com, 
punaisesdelits at gmail.com
Date: Sunday, October 10, 2010, 6:45 PM

There is a synthetic form of pyrethrim called permethrin; it's available in the 
US in spray form, manufactured by Sawyer, and sold at sporting goods stores.  In 

the northeast hikers use it to spray boots, socks and pantlegs as protection 
against ticks.  There is also a permethrin-treated sleeping bag liner available 
at the US store REI, and also a line of permethrin-treated clothing for hikers 
made by a company called Buzz Off.  Permethrin should be not be applied directly 

to skin, but can be used on clothing which touches skin.  Treated fabrics can go 

through multiple washings.  None of this information will help any of you 
currently dealing with bug issues on the Camino, but might be of interest for 
future pilgrims.

Patricia Rush, upstate NY

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From: Joanie Hess <jethess777 at aol.com>
To: tim at errecaldia.com; Santiagobis at yahoogroups.com; gocamino at oakapple.net; 
saintjames at yahoogroups.com; punaisesdelits at gmail.com
Sent: Sun, October 10, 2010 9:42:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Gocamino] [Santiagobis] Re: bed bugs at Rubiaes

Just a comment...  pyrethrum is the same ingredient used to kill head lice. It´s 

the ative ingredient in RID and similar products.  I´m not advocating using lice 

products for bedbugs, but would advocate further research into pros and cons of 
its use for that purpose.  

I´m still in Spain right now and won´t be home for 3 more days. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim <tim at errecaldia.com>
To: Santiagobis at yahoogroups.com; GoCamino <gocamino at oakapple.net>; †Yahoo Saint 
James <saintjames at yahoogroups.com>; elisaetjean brin <punaisesdelits at gmail.com>
Sent: Sun, Oct 10, 2010 10:18 am
Subject: Re: [Gocamino] [Santiagobis] Re: bed bugs at Rubiaes

Hi,
This is re bed bugs in general and not the problems of a particular 
albergue.  A small French company has developed a spray which seem to be 
very effective against the little horrors it's also a non man made 
pesticide being based on pyrethrum which is found in nature in 
chrysanthemums.  The only problem is that at this moment their web site 
is only in French Clako <http://www.clako-punaises.com/fr/accueil> but 
if you persist you will find this page on the site list of retailers 
<https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Amzw1kWlZ1_kdFlEU0NGYTBIUWV4ejV0d2NuVDdhRXc&hl=fr#gid=0>

which is a google spreadsheet listing all of the retailers who are 
mainly to be found on the Chemin between Le Puy and St Jean Pied de Port 
with quite a few in St Jean itself.
I hope this helps.
Tim

Diana Rautenbach wrote:
>
>
> Hi all,
>  
> We were there in 2008 and encountered the same problem. We removed 
> everything from the bed, the plank underneath as well, stamped the 
> whole lot out outside and returned only the wood. We then slept in our 
> sleepingbags after having smeared the legs thickly at the bottom with 
> Nivea cream and had no problem with the bugs.
>
>  
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Bev Parslow <bparslowca at yahoo.ca>
> *To:* Santiagobis at yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Thu, October 7, 2010 5:32:18 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Santiagobis] Re: bed bugs at Rubiaes
>
>  
>
> After my visit the albergue was shut down and fumigated. There were 
> several instances of bed bugs when I was there. Dead ones were seen 
> and people bitten. It was reported to the hospitalero. At the moment 
> all my stuff is in the deep freeze for 2 weeks. If you did not get 
> them, then you were lucky. I agree, it was a great place.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* John B <rustyacres at yahoo.com>
> *To:* Santiagobis at yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Thu, October 7, 2010 7:48:35 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Santiagobis] Re: bed bugs at Rubiaes
>
>  
>
> We were at Rubiaes on the night of Sept. 12 and had absolutely no 
> problem. I thought that it was a delightful albergue.
>
> John Boehm
> Woodland, CA
>
>
> --- On *Thu, 10/7/10, Heather /<hthr_ptrck at yahoo.com>/* wrote:
>
>
>    From: Heather <hthr_ptrck at yahoo.com>
>    Subject: [Santiagobis] Re: bed bugs at Rubiaes
>    To: Santiagobis at yahoogroups.com
>    Date: Thursday, October 7, 2010, 5:18 AM
>
>      
>
>    Hi, Did anyone actually see the bed bugs? Our group of Camino
>    friends arrived at Rubias on 17th Sept and settled in to the
>    comfortable Albergue. Soon a young woman ,who hated everything
>    about her Camino experience,saw an insect and began panicking and
>    stamping scarey messages in the day book. Some of our group felt
>    panicky also but I decided not to look as there wasn't much we
>    could do about it.
>    Next morning no one had any bites or saw signs of the craturs. I
>    meant to write something in the book but forgot.
>    We all enjoyed our Camino Portuguese by the way with the albergues
>    being mainly full from Porto. Not many from Lisbon.
>    Cheers
>
>    --- In Santiagobis at yahoogroups.com, Bev Parslow <bparslowca at ...>
>    wrote:
>    >
>    > Thank you so much. We found some at the albergue and some more
>    later in the
>    > luggage. It is a super Albergue. One of the best facilities on
>    the camino. Hope
>    > things go well for you. Thanks again.
>    >
>    >
>    >
>    > ________________________________
>    > From: Jose Sanches <jls at ...>
>    > To: Santiagobis at yahoogroups.com
>    > Sent: Sun, October 3, 2010 3:54:13 PM
>    > Subject: Re: [Santiagobis] bed bugs at Rubiaes
>    >
>    >
>    > The albergue closed from 22 to 26, for "fumigation".
>    > Everything have been taken care, no more bed bugs :)
>    >
>    > Bom Caminho
>    > joseluis
>    >
>    > http://www.vialusitana.com
>    >
>    > On 2010/10/01, at 14:11, Bev Parslow wrote:
>    > > Just come back from the portugese route. Please be advised that
>    > > there are bed bugs in this albergue when we went through.
>    >
>
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