GOCAMINO Digest - 5 Sep 2002 to 6 Sep 2002 (#2002-232)
cindy guthrie
guthriecaLIBCOOP.NET
Mon Sep 9 09:15:35 PDT 2002
Hi,
A few comments on the English form of "James" as requested by Rosina: James is the English form of Jacob, the links between "Jacob" & "James" being the Late Latin "Jacomus", changed from Early Latin "Jacobus". Although "James"
was in some use during the Middle Ages in its current form, the real popularity of "James" in English began when James Stuart ascended to the English throne in 1603.
No question too obscure for those of us who work as librarians.
Cindy Guthrie
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> 1. Honto... between SJPP and Roncesvalle
> 2. Versions of the name James (2)
> 3. speaking of names
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> Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:30:32 -0400
> From: Robert Ward <robertwardaGOSYMPATICO.CA>
> Subject: Re: Honto... between SJPP and Roncesvalle
>
> Not to be pedantic, but Giovanni and Gianni are Italian for John, not James. Giacomo is James. But we can still throw in the Irish Seamus. And does anyone know about Jaime? Is that James too? How about the Portuguese version?
> >
> > From: fkjaer <fkjaerapost7.tele.dk>
> > Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 08:51:43 +0200
> > To: GOCAMINOaPETE.URI.EDU
> > Subject: Sv: Re: Honto... between SJPP and Roncesvalle
> >
> > And another example:
> > Santiago, Sant Iago, Saint James, Sankt Jakob, Sankt Jacob, Sankt Ib, Heiligen Jacobus, Giovanni, Gianni, Giaco, Giago, Diego...
> >
> > Frans (Frands, Frants, Franz, Franciscus, Francisco, Paco...)
> >
> > ----- Oprindelig meddelelse -----
> > Fra: Watson, John
> > Til: GOCAMINOaPETE.URI.EDU
> > Sendt: 5. september 2002 06:56
> > Emne: Re: Honto... between SJPP and Roncesvalle
> >
> >
> > Oh, spellings are such FUN! Take Roland, for instance. Ronald, Ronaldo,
> > Roldan ... I am sure there are more. The swapping of letters and their
> > substitution is common in all European languages, and perhaps others as
> > well.
> > John Watson
> >
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> Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 11:26:11 EDT
> From: Rosina Lila <BlaroliaAOL.COM>
> Subject: Re: Versions of the name James
>
> Hello,
> Jaime is indeed the Spanish version of Jacobus, derived presumably from
> the arab "haim" , a form of salutation which the Spaniards associated with
> their Patron Saint. (As everyone knows, much of Spain was occupied by Arabs
> -"Moors"- for more than seven centuries, and their influence perdures in many
> sounds and words in the Spanish language.)
> Another Italian version is Iago, derived from Giacomo that became Giaco,
> then Iaco, and later Iago. Iago is also used as a name in Spain, more and
> more frequently as it seems. The first references to the Apostle were as
> Santo Iago, later shortened to to the present one word Santiago.
> In Portuguese the name is either Iago or Tiago; both are quite popular
> in Portugal as well as in Brasil, although Tiago seems to be used with
> greater frequency.
> Does anyone here know the etymology of the English version "James"?
> Regards,
> Rosina.
>
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>
> Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 11:02:59 -0500
> From: Gene Silva <ejsilvaaSWBELL.NET>
> Subject: speaking of names
>
> Speaking of names Robert Ward asked:
>
> And does anyone know about Jaime? Is that James too? How about the
> Portuguese version?
>
> Robert:
>
> The Portuguese "James" can be Jaime, Tiago or Iago. Jaime is popular in
> contemporary Portugal; for some reason Tiago seems to be slightly more
> common in Brazil. Tiago evolved from "Santiago".
>
> The Order of St. James appeared in Portugal around the year 1172. It played
> a key role in the Reconquest of western Iberia helping the first Kings of
> Portugal in their efforts to drive out the Moors. From its foundations
> through the late middle ages it was called "Ordem Militar de Sant'Iago da
> Espada"; that is, the military order of Saint James of the sword. As late as
> the eighteenth century there were a fair number of Portuguese children born
> who were named Iago. Iago is not that popular today, however.
>
> Gene Silva
> ejsilvaaswbell.net
>
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> Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:36:21 -0400
> From: "Teruel, Dr. Jose Romero (WDC)" <terueljraPAHO.ORG>
> Subject: Re: Versions of the name James
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> In Brasil we have both forms: Tiago and Jaime.
> That is also in Spanish
> Salute
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rosina Lila [mailto:BlaroliaAOL.COM]
> Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 11:26 AM
> To: GOCAMINOaPETE.URI.EDU
> Subject: Re: Versions of the name James
>
> Hello,
> Jaime is indeed the Spanish version of Jacobus, derived presumably from
> the arab "haim" , a form of salutation which the Spaniards associated with
> their Patron Saint. (As everyone knows, much of Spain was occupied by Arabs
> -"Moors"- for more than seven centuries, and their influence perdures in
> many
> sounds and words in the Spanish language.)
> Another Italian version is Iago, derived from Giacomo that became Giaco,
> then Iaco, and later Iago. Iago is also used as a name in Spain, more and
> more frequently as it seems. The first references to the Apostle were as
> Santo Iago, later shortened to to the present one word Santiago.
> In Portuguese the name is either Iago or Tiago; both are quite popular
> in Portugal as well as in Brasil, although Tiago seems to be used with
> greater frequency.
> Does anyone here know the etymology of the English version "James"?
> Regards,
> Rosina.
>
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> <P><FONT SIZE=2>In Brasil we have both forms: Tiago and Jaime.</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>That is also in Spanish</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Salute</FONT>
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> <P><FONT SIZE=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>From: Rosina Lila [<A HREF="mailto:BlaroliaAOL.COM">mailto:BlaroliaAOL.COM</A>]</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 11:26 AM</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>To: GOCAMINOaPETE.URI.EDU</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Subject: Re: Versions of the name James</FONT>
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> <P><FONT SIZE=2>Hello,</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=2> Jaime is indeed the Spanish version of Jacobus, derived presumably from</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>the arab "haim" , a form of salutation which the Spaniards associated with</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>their Patron Saint. (As everyone knows, much of Spain was occupied by Arabs</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>-"Moors"- for more than seven centuries, and their influence perdures in many</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>sounds and words in the Spanish language.)</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=2> Another Italian version is Iago, derived from Giacomo that became Giaco,</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>then Iaco, and later Iago. Iago is also used as a name in Spain, more and</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>more frequently as it seems. The first references to the Apostle were as</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Santo Iago, later shortened to to the present one word Santiago.</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=2> In Portuguese the name is either Iago or Tiago; both are quite popular</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>in Portugal as well as in Brasil, although Tiago seems to be used with</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>greater frequency.</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=2> Does anyone here know the etymology of the English version "James"?</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Regards,</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Rosina.</FONT>
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