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<span style="color:#212121">Attendees</span></span></b><span style="color:#212121;mso-ligatures:none">:
</span><span style="mso-ligatures:none">Rajan, Jim, Fred, Damian, Henry Kleynhans (Bloomberg), Mike, David, Ian<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> <b>New agenda items</b> (<a href="https://wiki.edg.com/pub/CFP/WebHome/CFP_meeting_agenda-20230705-update.pdf">https://wiki.edg.com/pub/CFP/WebHome/CFP_meeting_agenda-20230705-update.pdf</a>):<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> None.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Next Meeting(s):<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> August 2, 2023, 4PM UTC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> ISO Zoom teleconference<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Please notify the group if this time slot does not work.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> New action items:<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Fred: Send any issues found with incorrect CD2 comment applications (Ex. DECIMAL_DIG has two entries in the suffix) to JeanHeyd and cc WG14 before the July 10th.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Rajan: Submit CFP2741 as part of the US national body as an editorial comment for the DIS ballot.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Jim: Let the editor know of the page 675 "floating point" -> "floating-point" change<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Jim: Update TS part 5 as per CFP2790's final suggestion.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Jim: Follow up with Hubert to see when he wants input on CFP2799.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> C++ liaison:<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> None.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> C23:<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> C2X working draft N3149 (for CFP only)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> <a href="https://wiki.edg.com/pub/CFP/WebHome/N3149.pdf">
https://wiki.edg.com/pub/CFP/WebHome/N3149.pdf</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Review of post-CD2 drafts<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> [Cfp-interest 2791] new C2X working draft, review<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Jim: I had reviewed the changes and the corrections made by the editor after the initial set of comments. Converged very well.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Fred: I found a misapplied CD2 change.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Jim: Hold onto it. We don't want to miss it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Jim: Can do DIS comments, C2Y list, or no action for any future issues.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Fred: They are editorial. Ex. DECIMAL_DIG has two entries in the suffix.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Jim: Send a message to JeanHeyd and cc WG14 with anything found before the 10th.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> ^Fred: Send any issues found with incorrect CD2 comment applications (Ex. DECIMAL_DIG has two entries in the suffix) to JeanHeyd and cc WG14 before the July 10th.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Carry-over action items results:<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Damian: Rework the carg description to say phase instead of phase angle using the spreadsheet form.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> See [Cfp-interest 2734] and follow ups.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Damian: I don't know of any Australian NB for WG14. Hence can't submit the comment.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Damian: Calling it phase vs phase angle matches closer to NIST.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Rajan: Expressed in radians is also there.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> David: May not be editorial due to radians.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> ^Rajan: Submit CFP2741 as part of the US national body as an editorial comment for the DIS ballot.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> David H: Get an example for the scaled reduction functions (perhaps by asking Jason or Jim Demmel or looking into the IEEE references) by July. - Not done.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> See <a href="https://754r.ucbtest.org/background/traps-and-wraps.txt">
https://754r.ucbtest.org/background/traps-and-wraps.txt</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> David H: Get an example for the augmented arithmetic functions (perhaps by asking Jason or Jim or looking into the IEEE references) by July. - Not done.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> All: TS part 5: Consider what to do for issue 3 (which headers contain which pragmas) as per the spreadsheet (current vs alternative 1).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> [Cfp-interest 2755] pragma spreadsheet Jim Thomas<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> [Cfp-interest 2790] action item about TS-5, pragma prefixes Jim Thomas<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Action items results (from previous meeting):<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Jim: Add in an agenda item for Mike's Arith 2023 report after their September meeting.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Mike: Cannot go anymore.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Rajan: Drop this item.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Jim: Update CFP recommendations for CD2 ballot comments with:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> See [Cfp-interest 2780] CFP response to NB comments for CD2<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> GB-005: Mike: Perhaps say "make" instead of "return" (alternative is "provide").<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> WG14 made it "produce".<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> CA-022: Make a note of the difference - Need a hyphen.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> US-087: Clarify that there should not be any replacement (original text is fine), just adding the new recommended practice words.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> US-117: CFP recommendation: “If a floating result overflows and default rounding is in effect and the integer expression math_errhandling & MATH_ERRNO is nonzero, then the integer expression errno
acquires the value ERANGE."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> GB-188: Change "ininfinite" to "isinfinte" in the proposed change.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> US-201: Annex G does *NOT* specify the behavior of SNANs (typo, need to fix)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> All accepted.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Fred: Validate the list of functions for GB-181's proposed response.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> [Cfp-interest 2776] GB 181: Missing from B.30 Fred J. Tydeman<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Fred: wcstol->wcstold.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Accepted by WG14 with the typo correction.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Rajan: For US-117, at the WG14 meeting say an alternative is having comma's after the "and"s.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Fred: Add CFP2745 to the list of issues for C2Y.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> - Still open.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Jim: We will talk about this later. May result in dropping or a new action item.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Other issues:<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> No common real type<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> [Cfp-interest 2745] Re: double-double OP float128_t<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Rajan: One implementation defines extended rules for a fixed point OP floating point and has this as an extension to the standard..<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Jim: If long double is float-128, while double is double-double in some cases, in this situation, an implementation can do similar to what Rajan said and give rules to handle it however they want.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Fred: I can capture this.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Which IEC 60559 formats<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> [Cfp-interest 2746] {FLT, DBL, LDBL}_IS_IEC_60559 macros: clarification needed<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Rajan: I think Fred asked for these.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Fred: This is supposed to exclude abrupt underflow.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Jim: The definition got changed to be just about the format, not operations.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Consider the issue for C2Y.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Minimum positive subnormals<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> [Cfp-interest 2747] about FLT_TRUE_MIN and DBL_TRUE_MIN in 5.2.4.2.2p29 example<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Jim: Assuming default rounding and no wide evaluation, converting the decimal values to binary would work. Presumably they could be 1 and 5.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Fred: But implementations are allowed to use wide precision.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Jim: But then it wouldn't be right anyways.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Jim: Anyone want to consider shortening these for C2Y?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> No consensus. Keep as is.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> FP_CONTRACT pragma for freestanding<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> [Cfp-interest 2793] FP_CONTRACT pragma and <math.h><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Jim: I said for Annex F conforming implementations, FP_CONTRACT is available.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Fred: We should just disassociate pragma's from headers.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Jim: We could consider this for C2Y. This means everyone has to support the pragmas.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Floating vs floating-point<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> [Cfp-interest 2794] "floating" vs "floating-point", and hyphens<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Mike: We brought this up 3 years ago but decided not to press it then.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Mike: I checked most of them and it looks good.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Jim: Good candidate for C2Y.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Mike: The other comment about floating-point in CD2. This could be an extension of that.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Jim: The last one can be done since it is another instance of what was proposed. The rest go beyond it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Mike: For results is one set. The other set is leaving out the hyphen.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Jim: Yes, that last set was the what the comment was about. The rest is wider. Floating types are a C defined term. The comment is about how floating is used in other cases. It is not comprehensive
and we need to clarify what they should be applied to.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Mike: I agree. We can go through the list and do the "floating point" -> "floating-point" ones only and leave the rest.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Jim: Mike, can you go through those and get that list?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Mike: Hard to tell with page numbers. Can Vincent do this? Get the list of things that don't change the meaning of "floating".<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> ^Jim: Let the editor know of the page 675 "floating point" -> "floating-point" change<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Jim: Look through the list of items in CFP-2794 items and let the editor know of any "floating point" -> "floating-point" changes needed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Seems like the page 675 one is the only one.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Non-IEC 60559 long double with Annex F<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> [Cfp-interest 2795] operations on long double when not an IEC 60559 format<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Fred: Perhaps add one sentence to say it is implementation defined.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Jim: It takes more than that since need to know which values are covered.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Damian: Saying it is implementation defined is too broad a brush.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> C2Y issue.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> TS part 4 revision:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> See CFP2710.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Jim: Added slots for the examples.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> TS part 5 revision:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> See CFP2753.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Jim: Big issue was the evaluation macros.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> No issues with the changes.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Issue 1: We wanted to bring this up for CD2 but dropped it somehow. Should this be DIS or C2Y?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> David: I don't see how this justifies another whole draft.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> C2Y issue.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Issue 3: Pragmas and headers and prefixes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> See CFP2755, CFP2790<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Fred: float.h seems better for stand-alone pragmas controlling floating-point expressions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Jim: Issue with requirements for freestanding. We rejected it last time.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> David: I don't see any issue with the changes proposed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> ^Jim: Update TS part 5 as per CFP2790's final suggestion.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Atomic fetch add<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> See CFP2799 Hubert Tong's email.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Damian: Requires two operands since min/max.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> David: If it is atomic, you can't get an and b atomically and has to be handled at a higher level.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Jim: I'm assuming they're integer equivalents of this?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> Rajan: No, integers only have add/sub/or/xor/and. Not a min/max thing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> ^Jim: Follow up with Hubert to see when he wants input on CFP2799.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ligatures:none"> David: If atomic floating points were an issue for applications, this would have come up a long time ago. For integers it makes sense. Seems not to be a problem that needs to be solved.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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