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</style><h1 style="margin-left: 45pt; line-height: 21.466665px; text-indent: -45pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 16.866667px; color: windowtext;">WG14 Nnnnn<o:p></o:p></span></h1><h1 style="margin-left: 45pt; line-height: 21.466665px; text-indent: -45pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 16.866667px; color: windowtext;">Meeting notes<o:p></o:p></span></h1><h1 style="margin-left: 45pt; line-height: 21.466665px; text-indent: -45pt;"><span style="color: windowtext;">C Floating Point Study Group Teleconference<o:p></o:p></span></h1><p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left: 45pt; text-indent: -45pt;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">2023-01-18 (continuation of 2023-01-04,05 meeting) <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left: 45pt; text-indent: -45pt;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">8 AM PST / 10 PM EST / 4 PM UTC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><br></span></b><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Attendees</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">: Rajan, Jim, Fred, David H, Damian<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> <o:p></o:p></span><u1:p></u1:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>New agenda items</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> <o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">(<a href="https://wiki.edg.com/pub/CFP/WebHome/CFP_continuation_meeting-20230118.pdf">https://wiki.edg.com/pub/CFP/WebHome/CFP_continuation_meeting-20230118.pdf</a>):<o:p></o:p></span><u1:p></u1:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> None.<o:p></o:p></span><u1:p></u1:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></span><u1:p></u1:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> 2023-01-04,05 meeting minutes:</span></b><u1:p></u1:p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Symbol;">·<span style="font-stretch: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman";"> </span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> <a href="http://mailman.oakapple.net/pipermail/cfp-interest/2023-January/002608.html">[Cfp-interest 2594] WG14 IEEE 754-C binding meeting minutes - 2023/01/04-2023/01/05 Update </a><a name="2608"> </a> <i>Rajan Bhakta</i><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> <o:p></o:p></span><u1:p></u1:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Next Meeting:</span></b><u1:p></u1:p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> February 14th, 2023, 4PM<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Please notify the group if this time slot does not work.<o:p></o:p></span><u1:p></u1:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Note: The next WG 14 meeting is January 23-27, 2023<o:p></o:p></span><u1:p></u1:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> <o:p></o:p></span><u1:p></u1:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Last meeting carry over action items:</span></b><u1:p></u1:p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> David H: Get an example for the scaled reduction functions (perhaps by asking Jason or Jim or looking into the IEEE references).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><a href="https://754r.ucbtest.org/background/traps-and-wraps.txt">https://754r.ucbtest.org/background/traps-and-wraps.txt</a><u><o:p></o:p></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Deferred<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> David H: Get an example for the augmented arithmetic functions (perhaps by asking Jason or Jim D or looking into the IEEE references). <o:p></o:p></span><u1:p></u1:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Deferred<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Last meeting action items:</span></b><u1:p></u1:p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> All: Review CD comments related to CFP.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Done<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> New action items:</span></b><u1:p></u1:p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Jim: Update N3081, highlight changes, email to CFP for fast review, and submit to WG 14.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> <o:p></o:p></span><u1:p></u1:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> C++ liaison:</span></b><u1:p></u1:p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Rounding direction specific functions – Did not get to this item.<o:p></o:p></span><u1:p></u1:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> <o:p></o:p></span><u1:p></u1:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> C23 integration:</span></b><u1:p></u1:p><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> CD ballot done (<a href="https://wiki.edg.com/pub/CFP/WebHome/ISO-IEC_JTC_1-SC_22_N5777_Text_for_CD_9899.pdf" title="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__wiki.edg.com_pub_CFP_WebHome_ISO-2DIEC-5FJTC-5F1-2DSC-5F22-5FN5777-5FText-5Ffor-5FCD-5F9899.pdf&d=DwQF-g&c=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg&r=MPb4GyWs7nd-w3OlFPs29W1dB3gHMdsdghhjcQMf428&m=gH2qBgkfEO5Wh9JcjaR4Bw5e"><span style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193);">https://wiki.edg.com/pub/CFP/WebHome/ISO-IEC_JTC_1-SC_22_N5777_Text_for_CD_9899.pdf</span></a>).<o:p></o:p></span><u1:p></u1:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Symbol;">·<span style="font-stretch: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman";"> </span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><a href="http://mailman.oakapple.net/pipermail/cfp-interest/2022-October/002572.html">[Cfp-interest 2558] C23 CD </a><a name="2572"> </a> <i>Jim Thomas</i><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></span><u1:p></u1:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Continued review:<o:p></o:p></span></b><u1:p></u1:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Following <a href="https://wiki.edg.com/pub/CFP/WebHome/CFP_continuation_meeting-20230118.pdf">https://wiki.edg.com/pub/CFP/WebHome/CFP_continuation_meeting-20230118.pdf</a> ...<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3;
tab-stops:list .25in"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Symbol;">·<span style="font-stretch: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman";"> </span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><a href="http://mailman.oakapple.net/pipermail/cfp-interest/2023-January/002609.html">[Cfp-interest 2595] draft CFP response for NB comments and N3071 </a><a name="2609"> </a> <i>Jim Thomas</i><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Reviewed statement of CFP response to GB-286, GB-287. Agreed.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3;
tab-stops:list .25in"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Symbol;">·<span style="font-stretch: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman";"> </span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><a href="http://mailman.oakapple.net/pipermail/cfp-interest/2023-January/002611.html">[Cfp-interest 2597] Re: draft CFP response for NB comments and N3071 </a><a name="2611"> </a> <i>Joseph Myers</i><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">The CD adds to C18 the requirement for errno setting when overflow occurs in a nondefault rounding mode. Requires diagnosing overflow when a finite result is delivered.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Accommodation for constexpr wasn’t stated correctly.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3;
tab-stops:list .25in"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Symbol;">·<span style="font-stretch: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman";"> </span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><a href="http://mailman.oakapple.net/pipermail/cfp-interest/2023-January/002615.html">[Cfp-interest 2601] Re: draft CFP response for NB comments and N3071 </a><a name="2615"> </a> <i>Jim Thomas</i><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Reviewed Fred’s comments in CFP 2600 about constexpr examples, and Jim’s fixes. Agreed.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3;
tab-stops:list .25in"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Symbol;">·<span style="font-stretch: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman";"> </span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><a href="http://mailman.oakapple.net/pipermail/cfp-interest/2023-January/002617.html">[Cfp-interest 2603] Re: draft CFP response for NB comments and N3071 </a><a name="2617"> </a> <i>Jim Thomas</i><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">N3081 was submitted to WG14. Reviewed …<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">GB-164<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Prefer no change, but Ok with: Requiring errno setting only in default rounding mode, but<br> requiring exception regardless of rounding mode. Either no change or both proposed changes.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">GB-279<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Reviewed N3081 statement of CFP response. Agreed.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">GB-287<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Reviewed N3081 statement of CFP response. Agreed.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3;
tab-stops:list .5in"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Symbol;">·<span style="font-stretch: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman";"> </span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><a href="http://mailman.oakapple.net/pipermail/cfp-interest/2023-January/002621.html">[Cfp-interest 2607] Re: [SC22WG14.22883] N3071 exactly representable </a><a name="2621"> </a> <i>Jim Thomas</i><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">"compatible" versus "same" -- agreed with N3081 wording.<br> Change complex SNAN example to be “ok”. Agreed.<br> Also, add constexpr to static case in 5.2.4.2.2#21 (initialization with SNaN macros). Agreed.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3;
tab-stops:list .5in"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Symbol;">·<span style="font-stretch: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman";"> </span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><a href="http://mailman.oakapple.net/pipermail/cfp-interest/2023-January/002619.html">[Cfp-interest 2605] Fwd: [SC22WG14.22874] CFP views on CA-N3073-006 </a><a name="2619"> </a> <i>Jim Thomas</i><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Reviewed CA comment. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Prefer no change to 5.2.4.2.2 and normalized and EPSILON. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Noted possible fallback loosening "normalized".<br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4;
tab-stops:list .25in"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Symbol;">·<span style="font-stretch: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman";"> </span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><a href="http://mailman.oakapple.net/pipermail/cfp-interest/2023-January/002629.html">[Cfp-interest 2615] Re: [SC22WG14.22900] CFP views on CA-N3073-006 </a><a name="2629"> </a> <i>Jim Thomas</i><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Reviewed remarks about proposal. Agreed.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </span></p><p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:.25in;mso-add-space:auto;
text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo5"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Symbol;">·<span style="font-stretch: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman";"> </span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><a href="http://mailman.oakapple.net/pipermail/cfp-interest/2023-January/002630.html">[Cfp-interest 2616] Re: [SC22WG14.22918] CFP views on CA-N3073-006 </a><a name="2630"> </a> <i>Hubert Tong</i><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Reviewed response to [Cfp-interest 2615].<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Agreed on recommending no change.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Appreciated concern that existing programs might end up with different results due to these changes from C18. <br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3;
tab-stops:list .5in"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Symbol;">·<span style="font-stretch: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman";"> </span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><a href="http://mailman.oakapple.net/pipermail/cfp-interest/2023-January/002624.html">[Cfp-interest 2610] Re: [SC22WG14.22886] N3071 exactly representable </a><a name="2624"> </a> <i>Jₑ</i></span><i><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Segoe UI Symbol", sans-serif;">ₙₛ</span></i><i><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Gustedt</span></i><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Discussed translation time vs before startup.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">For needed change in 5.2.4.2.2 #21 (noted above), liked the suggestion to refer to translation time evaluation instead of listing static, thread, and constexpr as in F.8.4 and F.8.5.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></span><u1:p></u1:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Jim Thomas and Fred Tydeman</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p></o:p></span></p></body></html>