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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hello,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">In the minutes last time, for the next meeting I had listed 3PM UTC, but it should be 4PM UTC (to keep the same relative time for some of those attendees that have an hour shift).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">If anyone can’t make that time, please let the group know.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Regards,<br>
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<b>Rajan Bhakta</b><br>
z/OS XL C/C++ Compiler Technical Architect<br>
ISO C Standards Representative (Canada, USA), PL22.11 Chair<br>
C/C++ Compiler Development<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">rbhakta@us.ibm.com<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">IBM</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">On Sep 21, 2022, at 9:22 AM, Rajan Bhakta <<a href="mailto:rbhakta@us.ibm.com">rbhakta@us.ibm.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>Attendees</b>: Rajan, Jim, Fred, Vivian, Damian, David H.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> New agenda items (<a href="https://wiki.edg.com/pub/CFP/WebHome/n3056.pdf">https://wiki.edg.com/pub/CFP/WebHome/n3056.pdf</a>):</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> None.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Next Meeting(s):</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> November 16, 2022, 3PM UTC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Please notify the group if this time slot does not work.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Carry over action items:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Done unless specified otherwise.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Details below in "Carry-over action items results" section.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Last meeting action items:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Done unless specified otherwise.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Details below in “Action items results” section.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> New action items:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Jim/Fred: Re editorial review comment JT-096: Reword "matches" -> "uses" and reword value 2's description to say something like "following the specification for IEC 60559 operations". Also say that it
uses the IEC 60559 storage format.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Rajan: I can send David H. and David K. an email seeing what they are asking for to be a valid liaison for IEEE to WG14.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> All: Ensure the email addresses on the wiki are up to date. Can send the updated information to Jim Thomas or edit the wiki themselves.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Jim: Ensure the email addresses on the wiki are up to date.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> C++ liaison:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Nothing new.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> C23 integration:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> New draft available. N3054.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Revised C23 schedule:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg14/www/docs/n2984.pdf">https://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg14/www/docs/n2984.pdf</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Comments and discussions when the CD ballot comes out must be through the national body, not CFP.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> C23 draft review:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> See CFP2529 and follow up, CFP2538, CFP2543, CFP2544.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Fred: Some of my comments did not seem to show up. May be my pdf viewer.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Jim: Seems to be the viewer.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Jim: Most comments are formatting problems or table/list/annex issues. Annex H for example. Some for italics/bold/fonts. Not much consistency. Hoping that got cleared up. Color was inconsistent too but
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Fred: My list I sent in was incomplete, just sent in some as examples.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Jim: JT-096: If you have 2, what does that parenthetical mean?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Fred: All subnormal support?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Jim: Intel has a pure library for all IEEE 754 operations. Would that fit?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Rajan: It can be more type specific information than what you get in Annex F's conformance macro.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Jim: Can say following the specification for IEC 60559 formats in Annex F, but not necessarily full conformance to Annex F.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Fred: Without subnormals, it can still be 1 since it has the right format, but not the operations.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Jim: Yes.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> David H: 'uses' instead of 'matches' is better for the 0, 1, 2 cases a well as the starting paragraph text.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> ^Jim/Fred: Re JT-096, reword "matches" -> "uses" and reword value 2's description to say something like "following the specification for IEC 60559 operations"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> JT-097:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Fred: If you sometimes support subnormals, is TRUE_MIN useful?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Jim: The CD version of the draft may have this removed already.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Carry-over action items results:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> David H: Get an example for the scaled reduction functions (perhaps by asking Jason or Jim or looking into the IEEE references). - Not done.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> See CFP2547 for a starting point.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> David: I can do the pseudo code that looks like C. But need someone to review it. When I'm there, I'll ask for help. This was Khan's original justification. I expect anything involving factorials can
get like this pretty quickly.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> David H: Get an example for the augmented arithmetic functions (perhaps by asking Jason or Jim or looking into the IEEE references). - Not done.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> David: Have asked Jason and Jim.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Fred: I would recommend complex multiply/divide.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> David: A good thought. Complex multiplication is probably the best. Simple enough to understand and complicated enough to see the value of the augmented functions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Action items results (from previous meeting):</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Rajan: Send Ian information on joining SCC's SC22 mirror committee.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Done. No reply.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Everyone: If you are in doubt about your membership, contact Rajan, Jim, and Fred.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> See [Cfp-interest 2517] Fwd: [WG 14 SG Chairs] Study Group Membership<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Fred: OK now, but may be my last year unless something cheaper is found.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> David: What do I need to show I am good from IEEE's side?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> ^Rajan: I can send you an email seeing what they are asking for to be a valid liaison for IEEE to WG14. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Jim: I can update Rajan's comment and send it up for review before I submit it Monday.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> See [Cfp-interest 2538] CFP review of C23 draft N3047 - documents<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Other issues</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Review TS part 4 revision<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> TS part 5 revision<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> ^All: Ensure the email addresses on the wiki are up to date. Can send the updated information to Jim Thomas.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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