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size=2 face=Arial>Depending on how 'value' is used elsewhere, I prefer (b)
because I think many people consider 'different values' to be synonymous with
'do not compare equal' .. so (a) appears to be an oxymoron.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=748564712-01102021><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>But (b) has the same problem, in truth, because the primary
sense of 'equivalent' is 'equal in value'.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=748564712-01102021><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>Perhaps:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=748564712-01102021><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial> <FONT color=#000000 size=3 face="Times New Roman">The
results are not<FONT color=#00ff00> the same</FONT> because they have
different quantum exponents.</FONT>
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size=2 face=Arial>Mike</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><B>From:</B> Cfp-interest
[mailto:cfp-interest-bounces@oakapple.net] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Jim
Thomas<BR><B>Sent:</B> 30 September 2021 23:47<BR><B>To:</B>
CFP<BR><B>Subject:</B> [Cfp-interest 2171] AI about new wording for unaccepted
change<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Action item:
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Propose new wording for N2716's change that WG14 did not accept as
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<DIV>The suggested change in question is:</DIV>
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<DIV>Page 450, paragraph 4, in the Example, change:</DIV>
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<DIV>The results are numerically equal, but have different quantum
exponents, hence have different values.</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<DIV>to</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<DIV>The results are equal, but have different quantum exponents,
hence have different values.</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<DIV>The immediately preceding text is:</DIV>
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<DIV>3 For expressions of decimal floating types, transformations must
preserve quantum exponents, as well as numerical values
(5.2.4.2.3). </DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>4 EXAMPLE 1. × x → x is valid for decimal floating-point
expressions x, but 1.0 × x → x is not: </DIV>
<DIV>1. × 12.34 = (+1, 1, 0) × (+1, 1234, −2) = (+1, 1234, −2) =
12.34 </DIV>
<DIV>1.0 × 12.34 = (+1, 10, −1) × (+1, 1234, −2) = (+1, 12340, −3) =
12.340</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<DIV>A minimal change that responds to the reported WG14 discussion
[Cfp-interest 2128] would be:</DIV>
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<DIV>a) The results compare equal, but have different quantum exponents,
hence have different values.</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<DIV>However, we haven’t used “compare equal” in the subclauses. I think a
more direct statement would be:</DIV>
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<DIV>b) The results are not equivalent because they have different quantum
exponents.</DIV>
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<DIV><BR></DIV>Please let me know ASAP if you prefer a) or b) or something
else.
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>- Jim Thomas<BR>
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