<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 20, 2018, at 9:32 AM, Fred J. Tydeman <<a href="mailto:tydeman@tybor.com" class="">tydeman@tybor.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="">On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 22:03:41 -0700 Jim Thomas wrote:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">remainder -<br class=""> 754: remainder(x,inf) for finite x;<br class=""> cfp: x not infinite<br class=""> => x=NaN is different.<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">Aren't NaN argument cases handled globally, in both 754 and cfp?<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">C and cfp do for Annex F, but not main body of standard.<br class="">754 does, but requires a canonical quiet NaN result.<br class=""><br class="">The difference here for remainder is: cfp requires that if x is a NaN,<br class="">that same NaN be returned. </div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Hmm. Where does cfp say that?</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="">While 754 just requires than some NaN be returned.<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""> 754: remainder(x,inf) for finite normal x<br class=""> cfp: x not infinite<br class=""><br class=""> 754: remainder(subnormal,inf) signals underflow<br class=""> cfp: x not infinite<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">Didn't we already discuss this? It's only with alternate exception handling that the underflow signal from remainder can be<br class="">detected.<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">Yes and agreed.<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">remquo - Not in 754.<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">remquo does provide a 754 operation, plus some more.<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">OK<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class="">totalorder - differ for NaN payloads<br class="">totalordermag - differ for NaN payloads<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">Right. I think we should loosen the P1 spec to match 754-201x.<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class="">payload - ok for inf; differ on error return<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">Intended to be the same. How to they differ?<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">In looking at the most recent working version of 18661-1, they now match.<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">compound -<br class="">754: compound(+inf,0) is 1<br class="">cfp: not explicit<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">cfp says compoundn(x, 0) is 1 for x > -1. Doesn't that cover it?<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">Depends if "x >= -1" means just finite numbers<br class="">or finite numbers and +infinity.<br class=""></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>It means the latter in cfp docs.</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="">754 in a few places adds infinity when the '>' or '<' could include it.<br class=""></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>It might worth calling that to 754’s attention. It raises the question of what the domain for > and < are, as we’re dealing with here.<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">754: compound(quiet NaN,0) is 1<br class="">cfp: compound(NaN,0) is 1<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">Unqualified NaN means quiet NaN in cfp annex F. See P1 F.2.1#3.<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">Agreed. Now that cfp is supporting signaling NaNs,<br class="">should we consider a global change in C to match 754<br class="">so that NaN means both quiet and signaling?<br class=""></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>I hope we don’t need to do that. We put a lot of effort into P1 clause 12 to allow a C implementation to support signaling NaNs as in 754.<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">754 is missing overflow and underflow<br class="">rootn -<br class="">754 is missing rootn(+/-inf, n) special case<br class="">rootn( 1, n ) special case missing from both<br class="">rootn( 1, 0 ): is it covered by rootn(1,n) or rootn(x,0)?<br class="">pown -<br class="">754 is missing pown(+/-inf, n) special case<br class="">pow -<br class="">754: pow(qNaN,0)<br class="">cfp: pow( NaN,0)<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">As above.<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">Agreed.<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">754: pow(+/-0,-inf) no exception<br class="">cfp: pow(+/-0,-inf) may raise div-by-zero<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">Hmm. Interesting case. The 754 spec follows from the 754 definition of divideByZero: the infinite operand precludes the<br class="">exception. However, it's not really the infiniteness of the second operand that causes the infinite result. Should we<br class="">changer to match 754?<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">powr -<br class="">cfp is missing powr(x,qNaN) is qNaN for x>=0<br class="">cfp is missing powr(qNaN,y) is qNaN<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">Aren't these NaN cases covered globally.<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">Yes for powr(qNaN,y). Not sure about powr(x,qNaN).<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">It appears to me that 754 requires intermediate computations to not<br class="">overflow or underflow. That contradicts [1] in 7.12.13b.<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">Right. We might need to change the "should" to a "shall".<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class=""><br class="">augadd - missing from cfp<br class="">augsub - missing from cfp<br class="">augmul - missing from cfp<br class=""><br class="">min - missing from cfp<br class="">max - missing from cfp<br class="">minnummagnum - missing from cfp<br class="">maxnummagnum - missing from cfp<br class="">minnum=fmin - ok; differ for signed zeros<br class="">maxnum=fmax - ok; differ for signed zeros<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">I'm confused by the names. I think the issue here is whether our min-max proposal for C support of 754-201x brings us in to<br class="">line with 754-201x.<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">I do not see any words in cfp that -0 < +0 for these functions.<br class=""></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Our spec says "For these functions, +0 is considered greater than −0.” See
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<!--StartFragment--><p class="MsoPlainText" style="page-break-after:avoid"><span class="MsoHyperlink"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:red" class=""><a href="http://wiki.edg.com/pub/CFP/WebHome/min-max_spec-20180615.pdf" class=""><span style="color:red" class="">http://wiki.edg.com/pub/CFP/WebHome/min-max_spec-20180615.pdf</span></a></span></span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:red" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
<!--EndFragment--><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">minnummag=fminmag - ok<br class="">maxnummag=fmaxmag - ok<br class=""></blockquote></blockquote><br class="">754-201x has 8 forms of max and min.<br class="">c99/11/17 has 2 forms and cfp has 2 forms of max and min for a total of 4 forms.<br class=""></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>See <p class="MsoPlainText" style="break-after: avoid-page;"><span class="MsoHyperlink"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: red;" class=""><a href="http://wiki.edg.com/pub/CFP/WebHome/min-max_spec-20180615.pdf" class=""><span style="color: red;" class="">http://wiki.edg.com/pub/CFP/WebHome/min-max_spec-20180615.pdf</span></a></span></span></p><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- Jim</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><br class="">---<br class="">Fred J. Tydeman Tydeman Consulting<br class=""><a href="mailto:tydeman@tybor.com" class="">tydeman@tybor.com</a> Testing, numerics, programming<br class="">+1 (702) 608-6093 Vice-chair of PL22.11 (ANSI "C")<br class="">Sample C99+FPCE tests: <a href="http://www.tybor.com" class="">http://www.tybor.com</a><br class="">Savers sleep well, investors eat well, spenders work forever.<br class=""></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></body></html>